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  • kikoolol
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    6. Do not goad a higher rank. After you have been tapped 6 times in 2 minutes do not restart and say "come on bring it".
    I would like to point out another area of douchebaggery within this spectrum, and the one that infuriates me the most.

    "Is that the only thing you can do?"

    Asked to me by sankyu after our newaza randori finished with reverse armbar from guard for the 5th time. Guy kept going for a collar choke inside my guard. Obviously much armbarrage ensued.

    Bro, if I kept getting the same sub 5 times in a row then perhaps YOU'RE the one doing something wrong, not I.

    When I still had my fresh, stiff white belt tied on this old guy shodan kept going footsweep, me on my ass, footsweep, me on my ass, for the whole of the randori session. I never asked him if it were the only thing he could do. It was obvious it wasn't. Rather he was sending me a message : "hey dude I think you're doing something wrong, correct your footwork". And I took it. And he footsweeps me only rarely now. Granted correcting myself when I had only inexperience took time but I'm all the better for it.

    By reverse armbarring you continually I was hoping to send the same message. "hey dude collar chokes from guard are generally a bad idea". But of course nobody listens to me.

    I hate getting goaded when it's not to play around, I have a really short fuse. I tend to anger very easily and it soon turns into frenzied rage. So the story ends with me getting uki-gatame quickly (knee on belly) and putting every ounce of my 158 pounds behind the knee for the rest of the newaza randori bout.

    You bet he didn't like it, and my message passed.

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  • jnp
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    More posts moved here: http://www.bullshido.net/forums/show...=1#post2281459


    Four culls in one thread. A new record. Hooray.

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  • Lu Tze
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    Originally posted by Whathappened View Post
    Thank you, Captain Obvious. No sarcasm intended.
    I took it upon myself to "help" my classmates (dick move), as I felt it embarrassing for us to ask the sifu to show us again the move he already taught as it meant we weren't paying attention.
    That's what they're there for, they won't mind. A simple "we're having problems with this, would you mind showing us again?" is usually suffice.

    Trust me, it pisses them off more to see you drilling the technique wrong, and not asking.
    Originally posted by Sang View Post
    I think this would work just as well without the "beginners:" part of the title. I am sick of training and sparring partners treating class like some kind of cake baking social event.
    Yeah came here to post this, but VETERENS: Shut up and train!

    We all know them. The one old timer who stops every five minutes to talk about how he used to know X and he went to the Olympics and how he once fought Y in the Yorkshire Open and he's coaching down in Sheffield now I remember that competition well of course it's all different now and Z called by the other day and he's had this gi for 20 years if you treat them well they last a lifetime did I mention Z called by nice guy said he might pop in later and SHUT THE FUCK UP FUCKING SHUT UP SHUT UP.

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  • Sang
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    I think this would work just as well without the "beginners:" part of the title. I am sick of training and sparring partners treating class like some kind of cake baking social event. No amount of experience gives you the right to completely ignore the instructor when he gives instructions then fuck up my training with the time it takes me to explain wtf we are doing. Everyone: STFU and train.

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  • jnp
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    Missing posts moved here: No, just no - No BS MMA and Martial Arts

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  • KiwiPhil889
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    Originally posted by Coach Josh View Post
    ....2. It takes roughly 10,000 repetitions to become proficient with a technique. Do you honestly think that you have it mastered in the 10 reps you did on the first day and should be trying to add your own shit to it?....
    Can i just add to this,that if you're the noob holding the pads?? Just HOLD THE FUCKING pads,let me practice my jab+cross,don't get bored and throw in your own variations,ie side step+inside leg kick+jab+leg kick+right hook+slide back FFS.

    Jab/Cross,how hard is it to just hold the pads there?? I need lots and lots and LOTS of repetitions and can't do them if you don't fucking hold them where they're supposed to be.YOU DON'T KNOW MORE THAN THE INSTRUCTOR!!.

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  • Neo Sigma
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    as I felt it embarrassing for us to ask the sifu to show us again the move he already taught as it meant we weren't paying attention.
    Or it means that you're having trouble executing the technique and you need your instructor to run you through it. What's really going to show your instructor that you weren't paying attention? Asking for some help, or pretending everything's fine and screwing it up later? Like the old saying goes, the only stupid question is the one you didn't ask, especially when you're training.

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  • Whathappened
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    Originally posted by The Grinch View Post
    Ask for help from the instructor when he walks by. Problem solved.
    Thank you, Captain Obvious. No sarcasm intended.
    I took it upon myself to "help" my classmates (dick move), as I felt it embarrassing for us to ask the sifu to show us again the move he already taught as it meant we weren't paying attention.

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  • jnp
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    Originally posted by Whathappened View Post
    hmmm. A part of me feels its wrong to keep quiet while someone right in front of me is doing it wrong. :emo:
    Ask for help from the instructor when he walks by. Problem solved.

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  • Whathappened
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    Originally posted by Santa Clueless View Post
    Do as it is told in the title of this thread: STFU and train - train what the instructor instructed you to train.

    If you want to mimic another newb, you can do that for free outside of class.

    It is one thing to help correct a mistake/discuss a current drill with your training partner and another to try and play micro-instructor. That is annoying and has no place in a serious gym.
    I see, so even though my training partner is doing some half-assed version of the drill, which I know the "proper" version, I must keep my silence.
    Got it, I can see how it is a dick/disrespectful move.

    hmmm. A part of me feels its wrong to keep quiet while someone right in front of me is doing it wrong. :emo:

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  • Tonuzaba
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    Originally posted by Whathappened View Post
    ...what should said beginner do instead?
    Do as it is told in the title of this thread: STFU and train - train what the instructor instructed you to train.

    If you want to mimic another newb, you can do that for free outside of class.

    It is one thing to help correct a mistake/discuss a current drill with your training partner and another to try and play micro-instructor. That is annoying and has no place in a serious gym.

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  • Whathappened
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    Originally posted by Coach Josh View Post
    1. Don't talk about prior training in karate, TKD, or an RBSD mcdojo when you were 10. It has no relevance to learning BJJ, Judo or MMA. If asked did you take a MA before be honest and say yea I got a BB in karate when I was 12 but haven't practiced in 10 years. In other words don't brag about it because you will seem like a douche.
    I hang head in shame.

    Another question, as instructor of a lesson, how'd you feel if another beginner was teaching another beginner a technique what was already taught/discussed before. If it is unacceptable, what should said beginner do instead?

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  • aiyer
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    Originally posted by Coach Josh View Post
    1. Don't talk about prior training in karate, TKD, or an RBSD mcdojo when you were 10. It has no relevance to learning BJJ, Judo or MMA. If asked did you take a MA before be honest and say yea I got a BB in karate when I was 12 but haven't practiced in 10 years. In other words don't brag about it because you will seem like a douche.
    I've always found one simple rule to be true: If you have to tell them you have prior training then your prior training is severely lacking.
    It's very easy to tell people who've really trained before from those who are completely new. And usually once members think you've had prior training, they'll ask you about it since it's better for both the partners to have a general idea of skill.

    In my case, I recently joined a new gym, it was simple. We did some drills and I was the only one of the new members being able to do those drills completely. At which I was asked if I had prior training.

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  • Beorn
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    Originally posted by ignatzami View Post
    I do the same thing, I chatter during Randori, and will often tease my opponent during newaza. Then again, my entire club knows I'm a goof so it's ok. I began doing it as a way to stay loose when rolling, to stay calm. It helps me meter my breathing and not spaz or tighten up.

    When I compete I do it to confuse my opponents, it occasionally works.

    I'd say keep it up, if someone gets their panties in a twist, oh well.
    fun story on that note, I was sparring with this 18 year old kid at my MT place, and he is taller and better than me so he is controlling the tempo and just beating me outside. Then I started singing kings of leon's "someone like you" to him because it was on the radio. he was so flustered he didn't know what to do lol

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  • jnp
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    More posts moved here: http://www.bullshido.net/forums/show...=1#post2266346


    A reminder, this thread is a stickie in the technique forum. "Good thread Coach" doesn't cut it.

    Post something topical that hasn't been said before, or don't bother to post at all.

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