Gracie Gift Guardpass

[WhiteShark]

I wonder if it doesn't have a lot to do with how much No-Gi you do in your school?

We have 50/50 gi and no-gi as far as BJJ classes go but in general we have more interest in No-Gi and we have MMA classes that focus exclusively on No-Gi. From what I've seen in discussions it seems the more Gi focused schools have a lot more experience with this pass.

[UpaLumpa]

Maybe. We do a lot of nogi and mma as well though. I actually do it more no-gi than gi.

[Ryno]

Posture up properly, and control his hips. That's the key to making the pass work and not getting triangled. It does work, and I do use it, though it's not exactly my go-to pass. About a year ago I was rolling with a blue who had been joking about the Gracie gift pass. We had a funny little debate about it in front of a bunch of people watching, then began rolling. I then proceeded to pass his guard several times, during each of which I yelled "Gracie Gift!" The blue, myself, and everyone else watching found this quite entertaining.

If you're posture is crap, you will be triangled. If you don't control his hips and he sits up into you, it won't work. Knee into his butt to make space and pop his guard if it's closed will also help. But I guess you could say this about a lot of passes.

[kracker]

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4.Slide one arm under the leg that is on your knee until his leg is firmly on your shoulder. (Important! Slide elbow of arm that is holding his collar down so that you are not vulnerable to triangle or armlock)
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WTF? That's BJJ suicide. I go to a Gracie lineaged school and we are taught "In or out, never in AND out" is the cardinal rule of guard passing. How the fuck is this a legitimate technique. I've been training about a year and a half and I've never seen anything even resembling this unless the coach is showing us what to NEVER EVER do.

[Blue Negation]

Keep training, kracker.

Or, you know, read all the other replies on this thread.

[UpaLumpa]

WTF? That's BJJ suicide. I go to a Gracie lineaged school and we are taught "In or out, never in AND out" is the cardinal rule of guard passing. How the fuck is this a legitimate technique. I've been training about a year and a half and I've never seen anything even resembling this unless the coach is showing us what to NEVER EVER do.

I had that conversation with a newbie the other day, both under or both over, never one in and one out (this was right after I triangled him). However, if youve got one leg solidly pinned to the mat it is a different story.

[blindfury]

Just used it today.

It is important to know all the bits but you may not use it exactly the way it is shown. in MACP we use it more as a training tool but I think the key is posture and then stacking them( both counters to the triangle that is taught in the pass).

[Cassius]

I really don't use stacking passes much. One of these days I'll get over the stigma attached when someone over 200 pounds uses them, but for now, I do pretty well with variations of shin pin, ratcheting around an isolated hook, 1 step, Margarida, and Toreando. I am pretty comfortable passing butterfly guard with the handstand pass as well.

I do use SOME stack passes, just not this one so much. Papercutter and double underhooks tend to be my favorites.

[UpaLumpa]

The papercutter stack pass starting from double underhooks was my bread and butter for a long time. The thing is, this version actually more easily offers the paper cutter option. Also because the one leg gets pinned to their nose it is actually easy to slide in a knee so that you pass directly to kos.

[Cletus]

It's this: http://video.google.com/videoplay?do...4&q=bayev+bite

The Bayev bite is the one that I use the least of the three. Generally, I just stick my nearside arm under his pinning arm, getting a shallow underhook. Then, I clasp my hand with my other hand and drive my leg forward to break his grip while pulling up and then towards myself with my grip against his elbow. I can also do it on the side where my leg is on his shoulder, if I'm tricky or fast enough.

I do something similar with the double under-hook pass. before e gets the doubles in tight, i slide one hand between my leg and his arm, essentially taking an underhook, albeit a shallow one. I reach over and grip my hands together, making it difficult for him to begin passing.

Once I have this position I push down with the leg on the same side I have taken the underhook, while simultaenously pulling up his arm up, thus breaking his grip and leaving me set for a triangle.

You have to do this quickly though, other wise he will close those double underooks and pass

[JohnnyS]

When doing this pass I find it safer to have either my shoulder on the back of his calf (like Joe Moreira I believe) so my hips are drive against his hips, or down low like a single-leg (great for no-gi). If you put your shoulder right behind his knee you are more susceptable to triangle choke. If you do the first version I mentioned you can safely leave your other arm between his legs because you're stacking your opponent so much there's no way he can move his hips. I still do all three methods depending on what my opponent gives me.

Either way, this is a great pass that can be used in combination with other passes e.g.
You go for toreador and start to pass to your left, he moves his hips away, blocks you with his arms and his left leg comes up. Your right arm underhooks his left leg and you do the "Gracie Gift" pass to your right.

[slideyfoot]

Apologies for necro, but I was reminded of this thread recently while watching Roy Dean's new DVD, No Gi Essentials (my review here, if anyone is interested). Roy shows this pass in detail on there, and as I meshed together a bunch of screencaps for the review, I thought I would share it on the thread, along with another one I didn't include (where you're about to get stuck in a triangle):

[WhiteShark]

WOW! That first Roy Dean Guard pass is exactly what we are taught in Gi and No-Gi. I am so visually focused I had assumed we weren't taught this pass because I could never understand it from description alone. If you do it like Roy Dean this pass is awesome.

[UpaLumpa]

In the past I've posted about the Gracie Gift pass but with what in the first picture is labeled as the essential detail. It is indeed the essential detail. Your opponent will often pull on that wrist to try and expose you to the triangle.

[Vince Tortelli]

Something useful came from my Angry Young Whitebelt thread. Cool.