1001 submissions book worth it?

[Kingcrow]

I know there's a kindle version of this book, but for a physical copy it's almost worth a left nut for it. So is it any good or even really worth the money?

I heard some of the angles are bad from the camera man and photos are not really in high quality.

[goodlun]

I know there's a kindle version of this book, but for a physical copy it's almost worth a left nut for it. So is it any good or even really worth the money?

I heard some of the angles are bad from the camera man and photos are not really in high quality.

Depends on your what expectations you have from owning the book. Also on the effort required to earn the money for the book vs the expected pay off.
Books tend to lack all the details needed to be useful and I imagine a book with a bunch of submissions will lack even more of those details. An entire book for just 1 family of submission would be a lot more useful.

[jnp]

It also depends on where you are on the skill level progression chart. Unless you're at least at seasoned blue belt level, this book will probably prove to be a distraction to your pursuit of the fundamentals.

[blackmonk]

Every MA instruction book I've ever bought was a waste of time. Just go to class.

[Diesel_tke]

Holy crap, is that book really almost a thousand dollars on Amazon!? Surely its cheaper somewhere else. If not, I may need to sell my copy on ebay or something. :D I've got the original paperback copy. It's a good book. I like it. I've also got shit tons of other submission books. As far as the pictures go, they are all in black and white and some of them are difficult to make out. The written stuff is really good. I thought it was a great book at breaking all the submissions down to their basics. However, the book could be 1/4 of the size or twice as long if they kept going.

For example. They would do section on the kimura and the leverage involved with specifics of controlling above and below the joint, hand positions, and stuff like that. Then they would do the kimura from mount. Then from guard. Then from side control, then from half guard. Then from standing. So now we have one submission but many variations, which theoretically are different submissions. So the book goes on and on like that with many many submissions.

It is a cool book for people who like to obsess over things like I do. Not many people will sit down and read that book cover to cover. I did. Now days you can find a lot more submission books in color with better pictures. But they aren't even as popular as they were 15 years ago. Now days people just look on youtube for stuff.

A lot of the old submission book I have were some of my favorite fighters. They all started putting out their own books on their "systems". So I would buy those when they came out. As much to see their "system" as to see them doing it. I've got Fedor's, the MACP, Jiu-jitsu university, the rubber guard, I can't even list them all out, there are so many.

[W. Rabbit]

Best answer: it's 2020, get the $30 mobile Kindle version and save $900+ for classes, rather than get a ratty secondhand hard copy you will probably use sparingly.

There are many books and instructional materials online that are overpriced because 1) they are out of print and 2) they are coveted. This book is one of those, but of the better value variety, and it has a long history of discussion.

The content is priceless, just consider the value of being able to bring it up on your phone, computer, and use search terms (this is an 800+ page manual....).

https://www.mixedmartialarts.com/for...issions:998166

[W. Rabbit]

Holy crap, is that book really almost a thousand dollars on Amazon!? Surely its cheaper somewhere else. If not, I may need to sell my copy on ebay or something. :D I've got the original paperback copy.

Don't, some gullible white belt out there like me would probably pony up a grand for it, then you'll feel bad you duped a sucker.

Of course if you're really considering selling...I collect rare martial arts books. Give me first crack.

[jnp]

Don't, some gullible white belt out there like me would probably pony up a grand for it, then you'll feel bad you duped a sucker.

Of course if you're really considering selling...I collect rare martial arts books. Give me first crack.

Stay on topic in the technique fora. Your previous post was fine. You are straying in this one.

[Kingcrow]

OK I read some of the book through the kindle mobile version, but I skimmed to the self defense and bouncer chapters. I ended up asking myself why would they ever add this to this book? Seems like the bouncer chapter is more useful than self defense chaper. In my opinion they were better off without these chapters and should of focused on the picture quality of these submissions.

[goodlun]

In all seriousness for $1000 you could get a few Danaher Instructionals. Roger Gracie, Danaher, Marcello, Bruce Lee, ect ect ect. Have all pointed out that depth of a few techniques is preferable to having a bunch of shit in your game.
If it was my money I would be like the Back is the best thing to attack, and as such would get Enter the System back Attacks, Ruan Hall Back Attacks, Robert Drysdale's Nth(for back entries), Anything with Marcello's Arm Drags.
Or You know Grapplers Guide for like $80 right now for a lifetime subscription. Of course for a Grand you could have Keenan, Marcello and Roger Gracie online courses.
But like I said I would pick one thing and get to black belt level on it and for me personally the Back is that, it works well for Grappling and Fighting.

[goodlun]

For example. They would do section on the kimura and the leverage involved with specifics of controlling above and below the joint, hand positions, and stuff like that. Then they would do the kimura from mount. Then from guard. Then from side control, then from half guard. Then from standing. So now we have one submission but many variations, which theoretically are different submissions. So the book goes on and on like that with many many submissions.

I have had Instructors that would say that they are indeed different, and Instructors that would say that they are not.
Just to get an idea more about this book does it count each as a separate submission to get to there 1001?

For me I don't think of different setups and finishing positions as separate submissions personally.
The key thing for me is will I have enough breaking pressure/leverage to finish the submission in the position but feel like a Kimura is a Kimura is a Kimura. Or really I am simplistic a shoulder lock is a shoulder lock.

Speaking of cool shoulder locks the Reverse Kimura is something I am working into my game:

[Diesel_tke]

I have had Instructors that would say that they are indeed different, and Instructors that would say that they are not.
Just to get an idea more about this book does it count each as a separate submission to get to there 1001?

For me I don't think of different setups and finishing positions as separate submissions personally.
The key thing for me is will I have enough breaking pressure/leverage to finish the submission in the position but feel like a Kimura is a Kimura is a Kimura. Or really I am simplistic a shoulder lock is a shoulder lock.

Speaking of cool shoulder locks the Reverse Kimura is something I am working into my game:

Right, yeah, the book would consider each a different submission. You also have to remember when this book was written. The submission game has evolved a lot since then especially with all the different guards that people are using. I totally get that each submission really is a different submission due to pressure, setups, and positioning, but I also liked where it showed the similarities and how they are variations of the same.

[Kingcrow]

Well... As far reading it, I came to a conclusion that this book is and isn't worth it. It's certainly not worth it for beginners due to a little bit of lack of setup and the picture quality. I had difficult telling what's going on in the gi chapters, also like I said the photographer took photos in positions that didn't help to elaborate the submission.

Although I ended up looking some of these submissions up on YouTube, so it serves as a great encyclopedia. It's worth it to read it through the kindle version for experienced grapplers, as old as this book is you may learn a thing or two.

As for the price on this thing.. I honestly don't think it's worth an arm and a leg, but due to it's short print and the amount of pages on it, people are gonna sell it for that price.

[Diesel_tke]