Improving take downs in grappling.

[BKR]

I fucking love the 2:30-ish mark stuff and have nailed it by accident, I had no idea someone had codified and recorded it. I kinda feel feel like I would learn this throw as a counter or something, eventually in Judo. Does it appear in the (2:30'ish version) Judo syllabus? Maybe I am too dim to connect the concepts.

Murphy? BKR?

Yes. It is a form of Obi Tori Gaeshi or hikkomi gaeshi. The former names belt grab reversal the latter means pulling reversal. Kashiwazaki goes into quite a few variations of those.

[NeilG]

I just started grappling recently.

You are responding and talking to a BJJ Black Belt you fucking moron.

What are you smoking?

[BackFistMonkey]

What are you smoking?

The post before Preschol's post was WFMurphyPhD's post. It is not my fault the idiot (Preschol) doesn't know how to use the quote function. No offense but even you managed to use it twice in the same post.

[itwasntme]

You know ... you are correct in most if not all points.

moved to Basic from Advanced.

i forgot something.

position, technique, timing, then intensity. less time wondering if the guy will go down, more time commiting to the throw (with the three former caveats in already place).

[preschol]

I just started grappling recently. I find that take downs are harder to learn than ground game. Do others feel the same? I personally think having a strong take down will give you allot of advantage in the ground game.

BackFistMonkey: The guy stated clearly he is a beginner? "I JUST STRTED GRAPPLING"

What is wrong with you? You have called me every name in the book. Do I have to troll you again? Stop embarrassing yourself, focus on the substance of the thread you are posting in.

Now back to the OT: There are 2 schools of thought. I have always been of the opinion that it is best to just focus on one martial art at the beginning. That is why I advised you to focus on you BJJ completely for one year. Two years would be good as well. Once you have developed a base skill set in the art, move onto another art. Train your original art once a week to maintain your base while you get good at the second art.

There is another approach that I have seen work. Over at 3rdcoastmma the classes are exactly one hour each. I know a kid who trains in one class his first hour, then a different art the second hour. He trains 4 days a week.

He has developed a very strong base after 4 years. However, for older guys 2 classes are to much. I trained 2 classes and was wiped out.

[preschol]

The post before Preschol's post was WFMurphyPhD's post. It is not my fault the idiot (Preschol) doesn't know how to use the quote function. No offense but even you managed to use it twice in the same post.

Sigh. So my computer skills are lacking. Sorry, probably right. You have called me an idiot nearly 10 times. You need a new word. Seriously, go back to the thread I trolled you on, post some more there.

This kid has a serious question. Please post something that contributes to the argument.

[preschol]

[BackFistMonkey]

Sigh. So my computer skills are lacking. Sorry, probably right. You have called me an idiot nearly 10 times. You need a new word. Seriously, go back to the thread I trolled you on, post some more there.

The problem is your martial art knowledge is also lacking.

This kid has a serious question.

Yes which is exactly why I am hassling you here.

Please post something that contributes to the argument.

There is no argument being had, you are a clueless noob giving advice from a position of ignorance. As for your "trolling" it is no hard feat to act like a idiot and you have no one fooled except yourself.

[goodlun]

How to get better at take downs? Drill them!, Though do listen to the good Dr. it certainly does help to know how to fall and to not be afraid of being tossed on your ass. Drill them for what ever ruleset it is you are most interested in.
The ruleset really changes up a lot of variables so drill them at your grappling school.
I have never been to a BJJ school that doesn't drill take downs, and doesn't do some rolling starting from standing.
We do a lot of takedown pass guard submit drills for warming up.
If your school doesn't do takedowns you may want to look around.

[Raycetpfl]

"Practice doesn't make perfect,it makes permanent. So we need to make sure it's perfect every time." - Judo Olympic Gold Medalist and Armbar Aficionado Neil Adams

[Dr. Gonzo]

I asked and replied to you first you sensitive lil BJJ black belt. They other two were supposed the be calls to old age and Judo experience ...in that order.

(hahahahaha, love you Murphy)

Damn it, I tried to upvote this, and my fat thumb hit the downvote again on my phone instead.

[Dr. Gonzo]

I fucking love the 2:30-ish mark stuff and have nailed it by accident, I had no idea someone had codified and recorded it. I kinda feel feel like I would learn this throw as a counter or something, eventually in Judo. Does it appear in the (2:30'ish version) Judo syllabus? Maybe I am too dim to connect the concepts.

Murphy? BKR?

Ironically you can also use that throw on the ground as a last ditch guard retention sweep if the guard passer supplies the energy for using it.
Sorry for late reply and the accidental downvote on your other post.

[BKR]

Here is a very imoportant point that bears emphasis.

The takedown game is just as technical as the ground game. The difference is the pace.

Wrestling (and striking....probably Judo as well) Is a faster paced bam bam bam art.



It is sometimes a challenge to do both at the same time. That is why I prefer focusing on one art at a time. But like I said, many others have studied multiple arts simultaneously.

Whatever works for you.

Bolded for being false. Groundwork pace and tempo can vary just like throwing. Standing pace and tempo can vary as well.

In Judo and Sambo at the very least you work on throwing and groundwork and transitions. The throws and groundwork are integrated, but can be done separately as well.

Pace and tempo will vary depending on individual process, weight class, etc, both standing and on the ground.

[Raycetpfl]

Bolded for being false. Groundwork pace and tempo can vary just like throwing. Standing pace and tempo can vary as well.

In Judo and Sambo at the very least you work on throwing and groundwork and transitions. The throws and groundwork are integrated, but can be done separately as well.

Pace and tempo will vary depending on individual process, weight class, etc, both standing and on the ground.

Ben..... You haven't you heard? Bjj is slow and has no stand up grappling.

[preschol]

Bolded for being false. Groundwork pace and tempo can vary just like throwing. Standing pace and tempo can vary as well.

In Judo and Sambo at the very least you work on throwing and groundwork and transitions. The throws and groundwork are integrated, but can be done separately as well.

Pace and tempo will vary depending on individual process, weight class, etc, both standing and on the ground.