The Muaythai Clinch - Malaipet instructional DVD

[Torakaka]

My favorite throw is actually done from elbow/armpit control, where you have your lead leg trapping the outside of their thigh and dump them across the leg. On the "double neck tie" I typically don't bother going for it unless someone is practically giving me their head.

[Khun Kao]

My favorite throw is actually done from elbow/armpit control, where you have your lead leg trapping the outside of their thigh and dump them across the leg. On the "double neck tie" I typically don't bother going for it unless someone is practically giving me their head.

My fave throw is from the same position, except my lead leg (left leg) is to the inside of their left leg. I knee bump their left leg as I pull/push them... (with the appropriate footwork, of course).

I'm a big fan of the various "knee bump" techniques to initiate throws....

[WhiteShark]

Man I wish "canada" was closer.

Favorite throw. From any control: Turn opponent towards your power leg and kick whichever leg they step with. ++points from any judge and super ++points from a judge that knows Muay Thai.

[OiScout]

My favorite throw is actually done from elbow/armpit control, where you have your lead leg trapping the outside of their thigh and dump them across the leg

Man that is so effective. Sadly I found out by getting dumped probably 4 times in the first round to that tonight. It just threw me off guard that when we clinched, the guy wouldn't go for the normal clinch and opt for that.

Got TKO'd by leg kicks. Was aiming for one leg, until he hit my other knee and found out that I had a bad knee. Ah well, kid just outclassed me it seemed.

[WhiteShark]

the Khun Khao post I accidentally deleted.

I dug out my Malaipet Clinch DVD to come up with a couple examples of what I was talking to in regards to footwork.

In Technique #9: Into the Clinch "Offensive Head Neck Control - Pull Down", Malaipet initiates the twisting of his opponent by stepping 45 degrees forward with his left foot, stepping around the outside of his opponent's right foot, before pivoting to twist his opponent into position for the knee strike.

In Technique #11: Into the Clinch "Offensive Head Neck Control - Throw #1", Malaipet initiates the throw by stepping BETWEEN his opponents legs with his left leg, and pulls his opponent over it for the trip.

While I *like* Technique #11, due to my less-than-stellar upper body strength, I have trouble pulling it off the way Malaipet does it. I have found that I am able to get more leverage by stepping to the outside of my opponents leg prior to pivoting and twisting.

There are a number of instances where Malaipet doesn't really take an initial step before pivoting/twisting his opponent. Again for me, due to lack of significant upper body strength, I find that stepping around the outside of my opponents legs prior to the pivot gives me the leverage I need to execute throws.

[pauli]

the Khun Khao post I accidentally deleted.

it's sitting in trollshido. you could just move it back.

[WhiteShark]

I'm not a moderator in Trollshido so I can't move posts FROM there.

[Neo Sigma]

I haven't gotten through all of it yet, but I really like the head and arm locks. Anyone given those a run-through yet? I'm probably going to try them next week.

[Sang]

I've been using them fine except for the the first one he shows as a counter to the plumb, everyone seems to know exactly what i'm going for with that one and they resist their arm being pushed up. For the other locks just be careful with that sweep takedown he shows after you throw a knee.. I landed really awkwardly on my elbow doing that one and its not healing very quickly.

I'm REALLY liking his counter to the knee where you throw your knee under your opponent's knee then turn them like a steering wheel onto their arse. Scores highly, looks good, can be done from an inferior clinch position and completely stops people from throwing slow, weak knees just for the sake of getting a few points.

Noob problem i'm having - theres a 76kg Maori fellow, completely shredded and strong as an ox who has a neck i can't bend. Whenever i get the plumb i can't do anything with it even if i get perfect leverage with the step and use all my strength. What do you do with these guys? Just ignore going for the plumb and work head/arm control to score with knees/throws?

[Cannon_6]

...Whenever i get the plumb i can't do anything with it even if i get perfect leverage with the step and use all my strength. What do you do with these guys? Just ignore going for the plumb and work head/arm control to score with knees/throws?

Yes, that's what I do most of the time anyway. Like KidSpatula, I only go for the guy's head if he's offering it to me on a platter. I'm perfectly happy with one arm over and one arm under... you can throw your opponent fairly easily from that position with the push/pull and good footwork, and you can also raise his elbow with your arm to deliver knees to his ribs.

[Neo Sigma]

The whizzer-type grip from inside-outside is one I've been trying to get a clear picture of in my head for a while now, it's good to see that it's a plausible position instead of some crackpot nonsense that'd get me hurt in a fight.

Noob problem i'm having - theres a 76kg Maori fellow, completely shredded and strong as an ox who has a neck i can't bend. Whenever i get the plumb i can't do anything with it even if i get perfect leverage with the step and use all my strength. What do you do with these guys? Just ignore going for the plumb and work head/arm control to score with knees/throws?

You've obviously got a ton more experience than I do, but if everything is technically sound and it's still not working, I'd go for something else. No sense in banging your head against a wall. What's your weight as compared to his?

Also-

Oh and i dropped a heavier fighter with the counter to the uppercut he shows (went to the body instead of the head). Overall a great purchase.

How doable are those counters? I've been training for just less than a year and it looks like you'd need reflexes like lightning to make them work.

[Sang]

My weight is the same, but he is a lot stronger... Alex will know what i mean when i say he's cut, genetically some Maoris can eat MacDonalds all day and walk around 5% bodyfat, I'm jealous. It's quite frustrating being able to get the plumb with ease and having less control over him than he has with one outside grip.

Counters are more about timing, reading your opponent and muscle memory than reflexes. I've always had shit reflexes and yet i see myself as a counter fighter. I can tell you a drill i use to improve my countering if you wish, I've been using the same one to teach my southpaw gf and she can already hit the liver kick counter off the jab in sparring.

I'm southpaw so its all a little different, but I've been using his knee counter to the uppercut for both the lead uppercut and lead hook. Block the hook, control the arm while reaching forward and controlling the head, simultaneously protecting you from the straight right, pull them down into a curved left knee to the liver or head.

In terms of difficulty i'd say this is probably an easier counter to hit if you have the height/reach advantage, no-one shorter than me has ever posed much of a step up knee threat. His orthodox v orthodox knee counter to the hook is pretty cool though, i plan to steal it for when i fight other southpaws.

[Neo Sigma]

I can tell you a drill i use to improve my countering if you wish, I've been using the same one to teach my southpaw gf and she can already hit the liver kick counter off the jab in sparring.

Please do. My most reliable liver kick right now is checking with something like what Malaipet shows and firing straight back with the lead leg. I only really can make it work because I fenced for ten years previous to this, so my foot speed is on crack, but there's always someone faster.

[Sang]

1) Pick 1-3 counters for opposing techniques you wish to become ingrained, i,e for the straight right > a) right leg kick while moving left to avoid followup shot, b) parry straight right, return own straight right, c) parry straight right, control arm while simultaneously step up right knee.

2) Have a partner throw 30 straight rights at you, respond with 10 of each of the counters, then have your partner throw 30 bodykicks, jabs, pushkicks.. you get the idea.

3) After a week or two have your partner throw one random technique after another, respond with one of the counters, start slow and build up speed.

4) Once able to do any single shot adequately have your partner throw combinations, counter or block each technique.

[Torakaka]

I've actually been incorporating a few of the counters in this video in training one of my fighters. He's developed into a strong clinch fighter so these have been great for working on various ways for him to work into the clinch.