The Muaythai Clinch - Malaipet instructional DVD

[Sang]

Oh and i dropped a heavier fighter with the counter to the uppercut he shows (went to the body instead of the head). Overall a great purchase.

[Torakaka]

I've had a bit of time to play around with these techniques now. Some of the throws are brilliant, I've landed the 'offensive head control throw #1' on pretty much everyone in the gym.

I am having some trouble getting a few of his grappling techniques with gloves on though, snaking an arm in with 16 ounce gloves on is infinitely harder than gloveless. I'm trying to convince my sparring partners to use 12 ounce gloves in grappling training but most of them only own one set.

My clinch work has already improved so much just from watching the footwork and leverage in his basic pulldown and side pulldown. I already used these but for some reason i never realized that the step was vital to utilizing the leverage, I've been trying to pull people's heads down with just my arm strength.

Yeah, like has been said, the foot work is a huge part of clinch techniques. On the glove thing, personally I think it's better to work clinch gloveless than with sparring gloves since the bulky gloves are going to screw with your technique. I know some people say training with gloves is training "with resistance" but I think you get a much better feel for the technique without. Hell, the Thai do clinch without gloves so their must be something to it.

[Sang]

I try to best reproduce the environment of the fight in my training, i've felt a lot better doing pad work in 12 ounce gloves than 16's. The problem i have with just doing gloveless clinch work is its so different from the fight experience, they always give me brand new gloves for a fight which pretty much have no give.

Between 16 ounce gloves and gloveless i think gloveless is more comparable to new 10 ounces though. I'm considering buying two pairs of 10 ounce gloves to use just in grappling sparring. This dvd has gotten me excited about MT again, hurrah.

[Ronin.74]

Just got the DVD yesterday and watched through the first 10 or so techniques. I'm really liking it so far, the throws are what I was most interested in and, so far, I've seen most of the stuff already. But being able to watch it broken down so I can observe the foot work and his entries is going to be a huge help.

Definitely a worthwhile purchase.

[Khun Kao]

^pretty much my experience too. Like I mentioned earlier, there really wasn't anything "new" per se.... but a number of the techniques were variations on stuff I already knew. Slightly different body positioning or body mechanics, slight difference in footwork and angles being taken.

I've found that a number of the variations Malaipet uses don't work well for me, but at least I know them and can show them to my fighters. Everyone's body is different, so things that work for me will be different than what works for others, so I like showing Malaipet's variations so that my fighters can experiment and see which works best for them.

[Torakaka]

Yeah I've been having my students work some of the clinch techniques, particularly the throws from this video, and while I have a hard time pulling off some of the throws live they've had some success themselves. It's also been helpful in giving me ideas on how to break down clinching techniques that I already know when teaching them.

[Khun Kao]

^excellent point regarding how the breaking down of the moves on the video helps you explain other clinching techniques to your students...

It's been awhile since I've watched the DVD, but as I recall for some of those variations Malaipet teaches that I can't quite pull off HIS way, I've found that using different footwork angles solves the issue. In some of those throws Malaipet demonstrates, he steps between his opponents legs and uses a leg to "block" his opponents leg, hindering their mobility or ability to adjust their feet to prevent the throw. What I've found is what works better for me is that I step to the outside of the leg, as if I'm walking past my opponent.

Even though I'm stepping around the outside, I still keep my hips GLUED to my opponents hips! I step past them, then pivot to initiate the throw more so than pull them. Basically, I've never been known for my upper body strength. I feel my leg power has always been disproportionately stronger than my upper body, so there are a lot of moves where I have to maximize momentum and levergage by use of body position and angles.

Wish I had the DVD with me right now so I could pull up a distinct example of what I'm talking about....

[Sang]

A lot of it is up on youtube if you'd like to link those and comment. I get what you guys are saying about there being a lot of commonality between clinch techniques, the footwork and leverage is practically identical depending on which way you want them to go, just the grip points change. I think if someone had broken down a few techniques slowly like this to me originally i would have understood some of the more advanced techniques i've been shown since.

Chief example of a slight but equally valid technical difference for me is in one of his counters to the knee where he pulls the opponent onto the leg thats kneeing while effectively jamming the other leg with his own knee. This has been my go to knee defense for the last year but I've always used a boot-to-boot sweep on the supporting leg since my long lanky legs can do this easily.

Something I would have liked explained in this dvd though is why the Thai's choose to go for grips on the arms the majority of the time instead of the head. I've been watching a lot of lumpinee/channel 7 stadium MT lately and while you do see these techniques, a lot of the time the clinch will never get to the classic one in, one out position. You can obviously use a hold on the arm instead of the head, but what techniques are available from here and what do you have to look out for?

[Neo Sigma]

Something I would have liked explained in this dvd though is why the Thai's choose to go for grips on the arms the majority of the time instead of the head. I've been watching a lot of lumpinee/channel 7 stadium MT lately and while you do see these techniques, a lot of the time the clinch will never get to the classic one in, one out position. You can obviously use a hold on the arm instead of the head, but what techniques are available from here and what do you have to look out for?

Just bought the DVD, so it's not here yet. But if I had to guess? I'd say it's to stop the possibility of getting elbowed.

[Torakaka]

Something I would have liked explained in this dvd though is why the Thai's choose to go for grips on the arms the majority of the time instead of the head. I've been watching a lot of lumpinee/channel 7 stadium MT lately and while you do see these techniques, a lot of the time the clinch will never get to the classic one in, one out position. You can obviously use a hold on the arm instead of the head, but what techniques are available from here and what do you have to look out for?

Pulling off a full head/neck clinch on someone that has solid clinch skills (which obviously the Thai do) is waaay way more difficult than simply manipulating the crook of the elbow and the armpit as control points. While the head/neck grip gives you the most control, you can take advantage of grips on the crook of the arm to land shots and off balance your opponent on the way in. Pulling on the arm opens the side of the body for clean knee strikes. Also utilizing this range puts you in a good spot to land elbows.

[Sang]

Thanks, that makes sense. I've always felt a bit confused being told to go for head control in class and then watching a full card of Thai's just use arm and underpit control.

[PointyShinyBurn]

How much is the stuff on the DVD applicable to MMA, in people's opinion?

[Khun Kao]

Pulling off a full head/neck clinch on someone that has solid clinch skills (which obviously the Thai do) is waaay way more difficult than simply manipulating the crook of the elbow and the armpit as control points. While the head/neck grip gives you the most control, you can take advantage of grips on the crook of the arm to land shots and off balance your opponent on the way in. Pulling on the arm opens the side of the body for clean knee strikes. Also utilizing this range puts you in a good spot to land elbows.

^SPOT ON!

I have made a running joke with my students about Joe Rogan's exclamations during the UFC "[insert figher name] has such an awesome Muay Thai clinch!!!" when all the guy is doing is the "double-neck tie".

The Thai's consider the double-neck tie to be elemantary as far as clinch skills go. What I like to demonstrate for my students is how when I have a double neck tie on someone, I essentially only have one solid attacking technique... straight knee strikes!

However, when I switch to the neck and bicep control (inside or outside), suddenly I have a lot of options: knees, elbows, AND throws/dumps!

I also like to point out that while the double neck tie is a powerful position, its relatively easy to counter if you know what you're doing. A double neck tie can swiftly turn into that fighter being dumped on his ass with a knee or soccer kick to the head on his way down.....

[Khun Kao]

How much is the stuff on the DVD applicable to MMA, in people's opinion?

Part of the DVD is devoted to Muay Thai clinching for MMA.

[Khun Kao]

One of the ones that Malaipet demonstrates that I like to use is where someone attempts the "skipping side knee". I pull them towards their opposite side (away from the knee) and throw a lifting knee up into their hamstring. Its awesome watching them go airborne!