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    "Knock Out" Blows

    So yesterday I discovered that this little tiny woman who works for me is a TKD brown belt. She does it 100% for fitness, not fighting, but we discussed MA in general a little but one thing she said really made me think...

    She suggested that the ultimate knock out blow (and by knock out I mean literally - smack someone and they lose conciousness) was a kick to the head. I doubt this, but my experience is limited.

    I was trying to think of all the KTFOs I've seen and I'd have to say that based on my limited experience, the most effective blows to knock someone out would be:

    - hook
    - uppercut
    - knee

    What do you guys think? I'm sure I've seen way more fights ended by a decent hook than anything else.
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    #2
    I'll take anything that makes the head snap back or twist suddenly, or arrives on the chin. There is no magic knock out attack. Anytime you hit anything with sufficent speed, angle, and power, you can knock a mofo out.

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      #3
      I saw a dope pusher kick a drunk in the head. drunk got KTFO'd.


      Not quite a fair fight though.
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        #4
        A kick to the head certainly has the potential to be a knockout blow. However it is difficult to perform and telegraphed. High skill levels are required to kick to the head.

        A better option for the average person, prticularly in a no-gloves situation, is a "power-slap" a la Peter Consterdine.

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          #5
          A roundhouse to the head (clean) usually results in a K.O. or atleast a knocked down and dazed opponent. Very rarely will you see a guy take a clean teh to the head and not atleast go down.

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            #6
            That's what i think too. But were not exactly Cung Le each and every one of us, so I'd still say that stuff like uppercut, hook, elbow, knee and headbutt are "better".

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              #7
              Originally posted by Grashnak
              I've seen way more fights ended by a decent hook than anything else.

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                #8
                Cro-cop says, "Round kick!"
                Bas says, "Hooook the liver!"
                Tyson says, "grrblehe spit... uppacut!"

                I think the best KO shot is the one that you can land and cause the most CNS disruption.

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                  #9
                  there are two different things going on here:

                  a: the "best" knockout blow, period.

                  b: the best knockout blow that you can actually land at a reasonable skill level on a reasonably alert opponent.

                  telegraphing is not a problem for point a; it is very obviously a problem for b.

                  my votes for a tend to go to round kicks and spinning backfists. i would somewhat hesitate to suggest those for category b.

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                    #10
                    chances are, if you see it coming, regardless of how hard it is (depending on what kind of a jaw you have I guess) it won't KO you. The one and only time I've been KO'd wasn't even from a hard punch, it just happened to come out of no where when I was completely unexpecting it and the next thing I knew I was falling to the canvas. I think kicks to the head tend to be pretty good KO shots not only because they hit hard, but because it always comes as a bit of a shock to people to get kicked in the head. Of course, a clean thai kick across the neck/jaw line is gonna be hard to recover from regardless (example: Ramon Dekkers vs Danny Bill, or Yodsanklai vs JWP).
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                      #11
                      This is why people throw combinations. They build to a ko you do not anticipate without a lot of practice.

                      For a single knockout blow using the hands I would always go for a slap from a standing start or a liver hook from a dynamic situation. Both are safe to use without gloves which should be the PRIMARY concern for anyone learning how to defend themselves. A broken hand is a lost fight. Headbutts are also great for this reason but are hard to get sometimes.

                      If you are just training for the ring then a regular left hook to the jaw is good.

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                        #12
                        I think you'll obviously see way more punch knockouts because people throw way more punches :P

                        I think your friend is probably correct in saying that a kick to the head has the most KO potential even if it doesnt happen paticularly often.

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                          #13
                          Originally posted by WhiteShark
                          Cro-cop says, "Round kick!"
                          Bas says, "Hooook the liver!"
                          Tyson says, "grrblehe spit... uppacut!"

                          I think the best KO shot is the one that you can land and cause the most CNS disruption.
                          Wrong, its ""grrblehe, munch, munch, spit earlobe... uppacut!".

                          Grash, I think your friend was referring to the most powahfull way to KO someone, independently of whether that's the most common or higher % move. Ignoring how easy or hard it is, a kick would seem like the nastiest way to get a KO... with a flying knee to the chin a la James Irvin vs Terry Marting.

                          Hmmm, would slamming over the head a-la Jackson vs. Ricardo Arona be considered as well ? :)
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                            #14
                            Originally posted by AnnaTrocity
                            I think you'll obviously see way more punch knockouts because people throw way more punches :P

                            I think your friend is probably correct in saying that a kick to the head has the most KO potential even if it doesnt happen paticularly often.
                            Unless you're flexible/taller/have long legs the angle sometimes leaves the guy eating the kick with his shoulders.

                            It's worth noting that some of the kick KOs tend to be a lot more severe than the disoriented stumble you see from lots of hand shots. They don't hit as often, but you are more likely to get the guy losing consciousness standing, then dropping like a sack of cement. This is actually pretty dangerous in an uncontrolled environment since that guy doesn't do anything to break his fall *at all.* I've read (but can't cite online offhand) about instances of people suffering serious injury or death from a totally "dead" fall onto a hard surface.

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                              #15
                              See, Teh to the head. Not only is it a good K.O. Its also too d34dly 4 t3h str34t.

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