February is "Karate Rules" Month

[maofas]

Shit, I figured it out. This thread is an attempt to get us to out ourselves so we can be gassed. RUN KARATEKA IT'S A TRAP

[FickleFingerOfFate]

If, during sparring, there is a very real chance of getting a bloody nose or black eye,

then it is really Karate.


If not,


it's interpretive dance.


:new_uklia

[Vince Tortelli]

Bas Rutten, 4th dan kyokushin. Pat Smith, black belt in seidokhan. Nuff said.

[hoodedmonk]

Bas Rutten, 4th dan kyokushin. Pat Smith, black belt in seidokhan. Nuff said.

Both also have partaken in th3 korean karate if my memory serves me right!

[kolsyrade]

Bas rutten is indeed a black belt in kyokushin. He also trained tkd for about a year as a kid.
Pat smith is tkd. He has no belt in seidokan (a kyokushin offshot). He did claim a black belt in enshin karate (a kyokushin offshot) for a while after he won on of their open knockdown karate tournaments one year, but he stopped claiming that after the enshin organization pointed out to him that he had never trained a day with them and they had never given him a grade.

MMA has a lot of guys that has karate in their background. Several of them are proud of it and credits it as a big part of their arsenal. Usually they come from some knockdown karate style (kyokushin or one of its many derivatives), but occasionally you see people with more point karate backgrounds.
I have never understood why some MMA fans seems so keen to trash talk it.

Yes it needs to be complimented with grappling. But so do Muay thai. Yes you need to modify it a bit to suit the new rules, but the same is true of any art. Yes it sure helps to crosstrain but noone today can get by in MMA without doing that.

In the first UFC a kyokushin guy, Gerard Gordeau (heralded as a savate fighter because he had won a savate title, but he had never trained anything but karate) came in at second place in the final. But he did well considering he had no grappling training.

The final "proof" of karates lack of worth seems to be Johnny Rhodes vs Fred Ettish in UFC2
Where a helpless Ettish (Okinawa Shorin Ryu Matsumura Kenpo) was beaten bloody by Rhodes (shorinji ryu karate), who finally choked him out. Yes, the final proof is one trad karate trained guy soundly defeating another trad karate trained guy.

Having said that, there is an amazing amount of crap McDojo karate, and over-formalized dojos that "dont believe in sparring" out there. But they are as despised by hardcore karate guys as they are by MMA fans.

[PETER P.]

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hey! I didn't say I was against karate ...I'm just against these people who think karate is something like this --->:karated:

[Mcdaddy]

Hey check this out Kempo Karate vs Sumo this is the power of Karate

YouTube - Sumo vs Kenpo Karate

[PETER P.]

I prefer this one, I don't know if anyone already posted it.

(Specially I like the "mock sparring" at 00:40) enjoy

YouTube - Japan Self Defence Force Karate

[Elemental Fist]

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I'm sure many Kyokushin practioners feel some nostalgia when they see this video (I don't practice Kyokushin but I respect what Oyama has accomplished)

[Elemental Fist]

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Opps, I thought I put the video in my post, oh well.

[hoodedmonk]

Bas rutten is indeed a black belt in kyokushin. He also trained tkd for about a year as a kid.
Pat smith is tkd. He has no belt in seidokan (a kyokushin offshot). He did claim a black belt in enshin karate (a kyokushin offshot) for a while after he won on of their open knockdown karate tournaments one year, but he stopped claiming that after the enshin organization pointed out to him that he had never trained a day with them and they had never given him a grade.

MMA has a lot of guys that has karate in their background. Several of them are proud of it and credits it as a big part of their arsenal. Usually they come from some knockdown karate style (kyokushin or one of its many derivatives), but occasionally you see people with more point karate backgrounds.
I have never understood why some MMA fans seems so keen to trash talk it.

Yes it needs to be complimented with grappling. But so do Muay thai. Yes you need to modify it a bit to suit the new rules, but the same is true of any art. Yes it sure helps to crosstrain but noone today can get by in MMA without doing that.

In the first UFC a kyokushin guy, Gerard Gordeau (heralded as a savate fighter because he had won a savate title, but he had never trained anything but karate) came in at second place in the final. But he did well considering he had no grappling training.

The final "proof" of karates lack of worth seems to be Johnny Rhodes vs Fred Ettish in UFC2
Where a helpless Ettish (Okinawa Shorin Ryu Matsumura Kenpo) was beaten bloody by Rhodes (shorinji ryu karate), who finally choked him out. Yes, the final proof is one trad karate trained guy soundly defeating another trad karate trained guy.

Having said that, there is an amazing amount of crap McDojo karate, and over-formalized dojos that "dont believe in sparring" out there. But they are as despised by hardcore karate guys as they are by MMA fans.

Bas has a 2nd degree black belt in TKD.

[Mcdaddy]

If they trained more like that but chagned a bit with having ur hand always to your side then it would be more effective, but still is that real blood at the Start

[Mcdaddy]

heres another legend of karate

YouTube - K1 - Best Of Andy Hug - Part 1 by mart

[kolsyrade]

Peter Graham.
kyokushin karate fighter.
He took his skills to kickboxing and K-1.

YouTube - Peter Graham's Lesson to Hari by Daisukey

Sam Greco
Seidokaikan karate branchchief,
He took his skill to MMA fighter and also became a muay thai champion

[kolsyrade]

Sam Greco
Seidokaikan karate branchchief,
He took his skill to MMA fighter and also became a muay thai champion

YouTube - Sam Greco vs Ernesto Hoost 1998