As I have tried to explain to people before, being an ex Shotokan guy myself, it wasn't Karate that I didn't like, but rather the emphasis on light contact point sparring, pressure point BS (i.e. hit this and this and this to KILL) and general lack of fighting readiness that I felt (more a comment on my school than the style). That said, much respect to all those who train alive and hard. Keep it up, and keep real karate going.
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Originally posted by RegularJoe
Yo fuck that. XMA Rules month?!! :icon_sad:Comment
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IMHOOriginally posted by milwaukee cop
But still hats off to the full-contact karatekas ...
I know many of them would beat me easily...Comment
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As I said before in the thread: "No, you don't f***ing do karate", When you choose to practise a martial art you should know what you are getting into.
Most people don't know what they are doing.
Fear is in some of them and there are lots of placebo sellers everywhere who make themselves rich out of these people.
Nevertheless, the bright side of this is, that they help economy to recover.Comment
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I respect all who train hard and real karate. The only good thing about UFC opening new gyms is that all the wanabe MMA guys will do to MMA what all the wanabe karate guys did to karate. Hurray to McCageRage.Comment
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Originally posted by SonofSpiridonov
And I guess this means I'll never get to see a "Sumo sucks month"..Comment
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No, no, a thousand times no.
Karate practitioners don't know how to fight. Haven't you heard? We train not to fight.
For us, every day is "wear-the-gi-to-the-restaurant" day!
Being quite knowledgeable in Eastern Philosophy (via amazon.com purchase), the scent of koolaid on our breath, we go through each day in a dreamlike, meditative state, faraway expression locked upon "the Do, the Way".
We know that the only power you need comes from straight-line speed; therefore, we avoid carrying around unseemly masses of muscle. You won't see any *ahem* 230-pound bouncers who are TRUE karateka. That would be just...crass.
Our only core training consists of bowing to everything and everyone in sight, real or imagined.
We've lived in a bubble for years, ignoring and/or denying anything that's happened in fighting since 1993. For us, "sprawl" is suburban intrusion into countryside, nothing more.
What we do is PURE, PURE, PURE. Rumours that any of us crosstrain in such things as *cough* judo are vicious lies. If anyone of us is seen apparently o-soto-gari-ing some idiot into the tiles, it was just a front snap kick that missed, followed by a desperate grab on the nearest object (aforementioned idiot) in order to avoid falling down.
Sure we spar. One-step, two-step, point. Of course it's contact. Light contact. Anything else would kill.
We do bareknuckle work on hard surfaces like trees, but everyone knows that--without wrapped and gloved hands--we must strike like pussies or our hands would shatter like glass.
Kata *sigh*, more kata *moan* and even MORE kata *OH FUCK YEEEEAAAHHH!!!*
There you have it.
Soooo...anyone visiting a nightclub where I work the door need only remember the above. I do Karate, and therefore haven't a clue how to pick some belligerent up and introduce him to the nearest support-beam. Want to kick my ass? Since I don't know how to fight, all one need do is walk slowly towards me, hands down by one's sides, uttering death threats and beaming that thousand-yard stare. I'll doubtless drop from fright or run away.
If I've done this job for years and only have a few scars to show for it, it's just dumb luck. Karate had nothing whatsoever to do with it. Really. No, really.Comment
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Originally posted by RegularJoe
Lyoto Machida is a Sumotori and he kicks serious daiper-clad ass.Comment
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It's not what you do, it's how you do it, or rather how you train it. Aikido, Wing Chun, karate, tkd, or even classical JKD can be made effective or ineffective depending on whether or not you are training alive. You could take all the techniques of boxing, MMA or Gjj and teach them without the aid of a resisting opponent, and the trainee would be just as defenseless as the average mcdojo student. If people want to preserve these traditional arts, and i think they should, they need to update the training method while retaining the techniques.Comment
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Flying Spaghetti Monster bless Lyoto Machida and all other Shotokan practioners who still par with real contact.Comment
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No, not quite. Some of the techniques have to go.Originally posted by Re4Comment
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okay i was going to say "like what?" but then i remembered all those right angle blocks. Blocks don't work. but Still, the MAIN problem with these arts is how they are taught rather than their techniques.Comment
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Same page, bro. You and me are on it.Comment
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From UFC fighter Jeff Joslin
My background in Karate has helped me alot in MMA. I competed in a ton of tournaments which helped me feel comfortable competing in front of all types of crowds.
Although the rules are different than mma, when competing or training, you are up against another guy who is trying to punch you in the face and kick you wherever he can. I learned so much about important things like Range -which Machida is extremely good at-- strategy, deception, and using speed throughout my Karate training years.
Where Machida tends use the Karate sytle in and out type attack and works from an outside distance, I've adjusted my style quite a bit over the years, boxing nearly everyday for the last 8 years with a fantastic coach and some of the best boxers in the country. I try to use a lot of head movement in the cage, and a lot more combinations. The balance --while punching-- boxing gives you is unbeleivable. I believe the work ethic and technique I learned through Karate helped me to pick up other skills quicker.
I've also added in a lot of Muay Thai stuff to my game.
It's great to see Machida do so well, he's going to be tough to beat out there with his speed, range and unpredictability. Many fighter's aren't used to that type of style. I also find it refreshing to see a different type of striking being used successfully in the octagon.
I really don't do katas anymore, athough I do remember a time when all I cared about was practicing my flashy bo kata. (http://jeffjoslinblog.blogspot.com/2...s-routine.html ) But thinking back I never picked up a chick because of my bo skills. I think MMA is much better for that :).
A long answer to your question. Hope that helps.Comment
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Yep and also Bass Rutten and GSP who are Black Belts in Kyokushin and Chuck Liddel who has tow Black Belts in two different Karate styles and also Andy Hug a Kyokushin Practiner who beat the crap out of people for our own enjoyment thanks for the memories guysComment
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