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    Should I remove a YouTube video that a fighter has request I delete?

    I know we have some pro competitors here, so I wanted to get your opinion of a situation.

    So I get up this morning to see some interesting e-mails in my inbox. On YouTube, I have some WCL fights up from season 1 & 2. Through my YouTube account, some guy sends me an e-mail asking me to take down a video that shows him getting KO'd in a WCL match.

    Basically he says that he's busy raising a family and he is no longer a fighter and is trying to put that behind him. He claims that he isn't ashamed of the loss, but some of his coworkers found the video and are making fun of him endlessly. He says that while "you win some, you lose some" he'd really like it if I'd take down the fight.

    Ok, I'm a decent enough guy, I'll consider it. But there are a few minor issues. First, I'm somewhat against it because I actually enjoy watching the fight cause he's fighting a fighter I like and follow. Second, even if I do remove it, odds are that it's posted on another site (I've seen my YouTube vids show up on Dailymotion, the WCL has their own YouTuve channel, and Hulu even has some WCL fights) not to mention it.s on the WCL DVDs and other media. In fact, I've done some googling since I got the e-mail and found the fight on another video sharing site.

    But lastly, here's the real issue:

    Directly following this e-mail, he turned around and filed a "privacy complaint" with YouTube against the video. YouTube, in turn, sent me a little nastygram stating that someone complained about the video and said if I dont edit or delete the video it "will then come in for review by the YouTube staff and be prohibited from being uploaded again." It seems like doing this undermines the genuineness of his original mail to me.

    So, now I feel much less inclined to go along with this guys request, not that I want to be a vindictive ass. What do you think I should do?
    Last edited by Valiss; 2/02/2010 1:50pm, .

    #2
    So you've posted copyrighted material on youtube and someone is complaining? Regardless of whether he is being a tard or not, I expect they'll pull it on copyright anyway.

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      #3
      Is the dudes name in it?

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        #4
        Originally posted by Yoj View Post
        So you've posted copyrighted material on youtube and someone is complaining? Regardless of whether he is being a tard or not, I expect they'll pull it on copyright anyway.
        Ah yes. An important note:

        A few months after I posted the WCL fights on YouTube, I got a letter from the WCL. I figured they were on to me and would ask me to remove the material, which I was prepared to do. But instead they thanked me for posting thier content and spreading the word. Moreover, they asked if I would be interested in interviewing some of the fighters sometime for some 'meet the fans' type segment they wanted to do (which I dont think ever happened). If the copyright holders came over to me today and told me to take it down I would. Though in all reality, they wouldnt ask me, they would just have YouTube do it.

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          #5
          Originally posted by OiScout View Post
          Is the dudes name in it?
          Yes, like any other pro fight, they say and show his name right before the fight. Plus the title of the video is in the standard 'Thisguy vs Thatguy' format.

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            #6
            Originally posted by Valiss View Post
            Ah yes. An important note:

            A few months after I posted the WCL fights on YouTube, I got a letter from the WCL. I figured they were on to me and would ask me to remove the material, which I was prepared to do. But instead they thanked me for posting thier content and spreading the word. Moreover, they asked if I would be interested in interviewing some of the fighters sometime for some 'meet the fans' type segment they wanted to do (which I dont think ever happened). If the copyright holders came over to me today and told me to take it down I would. Though in all reality, they wouldnt ask me, they would just have YouTube do it.
            Well then tell him to take it up with the WCL. Of course, be more cordial.

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              #7
              I don't think he should be able to do that. WCL owns the footage, not that guy. Right?

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                #8
                Well if they were filming the event they probably asked him to sign a release that the footage be used, in which case it rather sounds like he doesn't have a choice about it, and neither does youtube if they are provided with evidence of his, and WCL's, permissions.

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                  #9
                  As an aside: Is it common for pro fighters ask video website to remove fights where they lose?

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                    #10
                    I'm pretty sure I know the fighter you're writing about. He's really a great guy -- seriously, one of the nicest people you'd ever meet.

                    I obviously can't tell you what you should do with your own youtube channel, but if he asked me to do something for him I certainly would.

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                      #11
                      lol so this ex MMA fighter is getting bullied at work? he should probably arm bar the next person that hackles him

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                        #12
                        Do what feels best! It feels the best!

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                          #13
                          Originally posted by henshinx View Post
                          lol so this ex MMA fighter is getting bullied at work? he should probably arm bar the next person that hackles him
                          i was thinking the same thing.
                          he needs to get a thicker skin.

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                            #14
                            Originally posted by henshinx View Post
                            lol so this ex MMA fighter is getting bullied at work? he should probably arm bar the next person that hackles him
                            What if it's chicks? Female-on-male bullying is a delicate issue...

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                              #15
                              In short, I don't see this as a legal issue but more a moral one.

                              Although I, obviously, haven't seen the contract he signed with the WCL I can pretty much guarantee you that there was language that specifically states the WCL owns the copyright to the video and is allowed to use it in virtually any way they see fit. The airing and general distribution of the video would certainly fall within, and often be the explicit goal of, the contract. Once you sign that kind of contract you give up a lot, if not all, of your rights to the video and the use of that video outside of certain extreme cases (like if they spliced the video into a gay porn or something). So basically from a legal standpoint it isn't really his place to "demand" that the video be taken down, that right belongs to the WCL.

                              However, that doesn't mean that YouTube might not pull the video anyway just because they don't want to expend the energy required to actually investigate the situation. You also might choose to pull the video yourself out of respect for his request or a desire not to get involved any further with this issue. Bottom line though, I would say you are under no actual obligation to do so.

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