Acting based on ignorance, is pure stupidity.

[AriesKai]

AriesKai = Best Troll Ever.

No seriously, he had me going to.

On the off chance that he actually believes his own bullshit, he may be interested to here this. There is a tag-line in the SEALs that goes "Why should I teach you to fight, if your any fucking good with that gun your holding then you don't need to fight." And another goes "The person who wins a H2H confrontation on the field is the one who's friend shows up first with a gun." Though I think that last one is from the Marines so may not exactly apply.

Plus, living dead set between Camp Lejune, Seymore Johnson AFB, and Cherry Point I can personally vouch that they don't teach normal enlisted men shit about fighting H2H. As I was always winning untill his thirty fucking friends showed up and tried to change my race.

You all ask me to provide proof, yet you claim something that you can't even prove yourself?

They teach them to fight hand to hand because relying solely on a GUN is ABSURD. Think about it... anything can happen where you lose your weapon and you're all alone with no one to help you. All you've got are your hands, feet, teeth, fingers, ect...

Come on.. you don't ACTUALLY believe that they can't hold a candle to some civilian who trains in a McDojo do you?

That's like saying SAS operatives don't know how to fight hand to hand.



You all are VERY pathetic. I think i've found it out...

"Bullshido" forums are full of "bullshido" fighters! Fucking Arm Chair Warriors!
HAHAHAHA!!!!

Losers.


They don't train servicemen well in hand to hand? Try fighting them under the normal circumstances that they would have... ballistic body armor, k-pod, protective gear that would nearly neutralize your petty light strikes.
Fight them with those odds, see how you do. You're gonna get killed, because you don't train that way!

Another thing...
say the man is captured...


He doesn't know how to fight?


I think you live in a false sense of reality, BUDDY.

[AriesKai]

You're still full of shit, AriesKai.

You know, when I visited Baltimore one time, a group of guys found out that I was in the military. They actually HUGGED me and said, "Thank you", took me out, bought me a couple of rounds, got me drunk off my ass, paid for a hotel, and made sure i didn't drown in my puke from the night before.

I see you're from Baltimore, yet you're more disrespectful than some of the Jersey punks i've met.


How do you feel about that?


Can you prove your accusation?

[Diesel_tke]

Ah see... this is is where you are wrong.


I do have over 30 years of training and experience...
but I don't claim that I can 'kill' any martial artist on the street. That is something we all wish that we could do, although can never be done.
There IS always someone better, that fact can never be denied.


But ok, I will give you the jist...

I began training when I was 5 years old in Yokosuka, Japan in the art of Okinawan Karate. The only reason I was in Yokosuka, is because my father was stationed there as he was US Navy UDT (now SEALs/DEVGRU). I progressed in Okinawan Karate and left Japan at age 11.
After moving to San Diego, I began training with one of my fathers old instructors in Shotokan and Jujitsu. I trained under this instructor and my father for 3 years until we moved to Jacksonville, Florida.
There, I began training in Judo and continued to train in Jujitsu under a licensed instructor, and my father as well until I was 17.
At age 17, I joined the United States Marine Corps, where a lot of my 'real' training began. There as an Infantryman (0311), I trained in a mixture of Escrima, Kali, more Okinawan Karate, Kenpo, more Judo, Aikido, and Sambo.
After the first Gulf War, I joined the US Army as an O-3 Captain (going 'from green to gold', enlisted to officer) and trained in their hand-to-hand combat training system (somewhat similar to the corps version, but not as extensive at the time), and the combatives that we were taught in the Ranger Regiment (much more extensive, actually) as an Infantry commander of the 3rd Battalion 75th Ranger Regiment. There, I trained under Tony Mayo (a VERY skilled Martial Artist that would probably mop the floor with anyone in the 'Bullshido Grandmaster forums', before I progressed on to Drill Sergeant School. In Drill Sergeant School, we trained extensively in hand-to-hand combat, hand-to-weapon combat, and of course weapon-to-weapon combat. I was a Drill Sergeant over the 2-58 Infantry Training Battalion in Fort Benning, GA (Sand Hill) for over 5 years before I was finally discharged in September of 2006.
After being discharged, I became a LEO (Patrolman) with the Dallas Police Department located at 2331 West Northwest Highway in Dallas, TX 75220 for 2 years before coming over to the Sheriff's department.
I cross-trained with the Dallas SWAT teams, and was ready to be selected before I found out about the SRT.
I found more of an interest in SRT than in SWAT, so this is where I am.
Also, with Dallas PD, there is a 3 year waiting period before you can perform any 'special assignments' such as SWAT or Undercover/Anti-Gang and Drug Task Force assignments.


I've found that the best Law Enforcement Officers are of prior military service in which they received a fully Honorable Discharge, especially one's being of prior special operations fields. They (of course) have extensive training and experience in the field of anti-terrorism tactics, and use of deadly force.
If I were to choose any man to be on my team after being given the choice of a man with 10 years law enforcement experience or 10 years law enforcement experience with military experience included... I'm gonna choose the man with Military AND Law Enforcement experience.
Why?


You tell me.

Fair enough, and you asked me to site examples to the contrary of military being better at martial arts than civilians.

Well, I have first hand knowledge also. My brother has prior Military experience as Army Airborne. He is a veteran of the current conflicts, but got out of the military and went in to Law Enforcement. He is currently a LEO Leutenant and Defensive Tactics instructor. He also completed the MACP while in the Army.

I never entered the military but went strait into Law Enforcement strait out of College. Where I am currently an Investigator for the State of Florida. However, his combination Military training and LEO training, means nothing to me, because I royally beat his ass EVERY time we spar. He has never bested me.

My uncle who currently trains with me is an Officer in the Coast Guard and is a boarding team leader. I beat him regularly in all aspects of combat.

I live in Pensacola and we regularly have Jar heads and squids coming through town, and I have been in many fights. Especially when they get liquored up right before deployment. I have yet to see the special techniques that you say would enable them to kill me on the streat if they wanted to.

My father was special forces as was yours. 3rd SRIG Force Recon stationed in Okinawa where I began my training. His hand to hand tecniques are ridiculously dumb, and worthless. But as he always said, his job was to get in and out without you ever knowing he was there, not to engage the enemy with his hands.

[AriesKai]

AriesKai, if you had half a clue as to what the SEAL hand to hand program entailed, you would shut the fuck up.

Then i'm assuming you've gone through it?

Highly doubtful. I think you act as if you held some valuable information that hardly anyone knows of, but you're another poser who only hides behind the screen of watching MMA matches and only wishing you could emulate what you feel the 'cool kids' are doing.


I know that when my father was a UDT, and when I trained with a SEAL (one of the baddest motherfuckers I know), they both were VERY good. The newer SEAL being better than the older one.


I think you try too hard. Try meditating or something.

[Diesel_tke]

Then i'm assuming you've gone through it?

Highly doubtful. I think you act as if you held some valuable information that hardly anyone knows of, but you're another poser who only hides behind the screen of watching MMA matches and only wishing you could emulate what you feel the 'cool kids' are doing.


I know that when my father was a UDT, and when I trained with a SEAL (one of the baddest motherfuckers I know), they both were VERY good. The newer SEAL being better than the older one.


I think you try too hard. Try meditating or something.

I actually have a SEAL Combat Manual and a MACP Combat Manual. They are not the best books I have on combat, matter of fact they are the worst.

[AriesKai]

Fair enough, and you asked me to site examples to the contrary of military being better at martial arts than civilians.

Well, I have first hand knowledge also. My brother has prior Military experience as Army Airborne. He is a veteran of the current conflicts, but got out of the military and went in to Law Enforcement. He is currently a LEO Leutenant and Defensive Tactics instructor. He also completed the MACP while in the Army.

I never entered the military but went strait into Law Enforcement strait out of College. Where I am currently an Investigator for the State of Florida. However, his combination Military training and LEO training, means nothing to me, because I royally beat his ass EVERY time we spar. He has never bested me.

My uncle who currently trains with me is an Officer in the Coast Guard and is a boarding team leader. I beat him regularly in all aspects of combat.

I live in Pensacola and we regularly have Jar heads and squids coming through town, and I have been in many fights. Especially when they get liquored up right before deployment. I have yet to see the special techniques that you say would enable them to kill me on the streat if they wanted to.

My father was special forces as was yours. 3rd SRIG Force Recon stationed in Okinawa where I began my training. His hand to hand tecniques are ridiculously dumb, and worthless. But as he always said, his job was to get in and out without you ever knowing he was there, not to engage the enemy with his hands.

Ah, you are right in some senses.

In todays world... you have average squids and average jarheads... and then you have the rest...

The rest, the 'silent warriors' as they're called.. the one's you rarely hear about... They're the ones you watch out for.

Today, the Navy SEALs are some real bad asses. I've trained with some of them, and their skills ARE bar-none.
They are the only thing under Delta, and I can only imagine what they teach Delta.


Anyhow..
Their job is to get in and out undetected... but what happens when something goes wrong (as no plan is perfect)? Say some hadji rushes out from around a corner and tries to stab one of our men? They're going to know how to defend theirselves without that weapon. It's only logical.

[AriesKai]

I actually have a SEAL Combat Manual and a MACP Combat Manual. They are not the best books I have on combat, matter of fact they are the worst.

You absolutely WILL NOT get the official versions. What you have are the versions you get online... Imagine what our enemies could do with valuable information such as the real deal?


Come on man... you DON'T really think against me; do you???

[Diesel_tke]

Which is why I claim that "soldiers only fight with guns" and that "Navy SEAL training doesn't mean you can fight".


Right?


You should come down to my department. We'd fuck you up, boy.

I doubt that I will be in Dallas any time soon, but is that an open invitation? If so, please give me your information, I will gladly take you up on this offer, eventually. I may even be able to get my department to pay for the trip, if I can get it approved as some type of inter-agency training.

[DerAuslander]

Then i'm assuming you've gone through it?

Highly doubtful. I think you act as if you held some valuable information that hardly anyone knows of, but you're another poser who only hides behind the screen of watching MMA matches and only wishing you could emulate what you feel the 'cool kids' are doing.


I know that when my father was a UDT, and when I trained with a SEAL (one of the baddest motherfuckers I know), they both were VERY good. The newer SEAL being better than the older one.


I think you try too hard. Try meditating or something.

Actually, yes, I'm working toward my certification in it. None of the men I've trained with, military or civilian contractor, act with any sort of machismo or like the blowhard badass that you do. All of them have a very good understanding of the place of unarmed combat in their skill list, and none of them hold any illusions about being able to defeat someone who spends every day training purely in hand to hand combat, as many of the people on this board do. That is why they have guns and team mates. Equalizers.

You showed up on this board and replied to a thread that had not been posted on in years. You posted a diatribe attacking a poster (who was also law enforcement) who hasn't posted on this board in at least two years. He will likely never come back to read your post. You over-reacted, got emotional, and acted like an idiot.

Calm down and shut the fuck up.

[AriesKai]

I actually have a SEAL Combat Manual and a MACP Combat Manual. They are not the best books I have on combat, matter of fact they are the worst.

Now allow me to ask ALL of you this one...

If you were to pick up some sort of training for military operations/law enforcement operations where you could not use your weapon, but have physical restrictions such as body armor, k-pod/helmet/mich... what hand to hand tactics would you use?

Perhaps YOU can be the life-saver of our military tactics, since they are so useless?

[Diesel_tke]

You absolutely WILL NOT get the official versions. What you have are the versions you get online... Imagine what our enemies could do with valuable information such as the real deal?


Come on man... you DON'T really think against me; do you???

No, I got them from my brother. He got the SEAL Manual a few years ago from a SEAL that he went to Airborne school with. Apparently there were a bunch that went through at the same time as him. He gave me a copy of the MACP manual. He has a few of them.

[AriesKai]

Actually, yes, I'm working toward my certification in it. None of the men I've trained with, military or civilian contractor, act with any sort of machismo or like the blowhard badass that you do. All of them have a very good understanding of the place of unarmed combat in their skill list, and none of them hold any illusions about being able to defeat someone who spends every day training purely in hand to hand combat, as many of the people on this board do. That is why they have guns and team mates. Equalizers.

You showed up on this board and replied to a thread that had not been posted on in years. You posted a diatribe attacking a poster (who was also law enforcement) who hasn't posted on this board in at least two years. He will likely never come back to read your post. You over-reacted, got emotional, and acted like an idiot.

Calm down and shut the fuck up.

One word:

Prove it.

I'm obviously defending something that is right and is just.
Combat Armsmen in our military don't just train in weapons and squad tactics, moron. They train very extensively in hand to hand combat tactics, one's that you only WISH you could have. Hell even the Marines train in hand to hand while being maced and tazed. I guarantee you haven't trained in such a way.
You obviously have no sense of respect, and are the type that deserves the asskicking that is coming to him. You WILL get it eventually.

You? Training in a Navy SEAL hand to hand combat certification?
You're definitely a liar. If not, how about proving it?
The ONLY way you would be training with their certifications, is you were one. Don't even dare claim to be one, because if you were, you'd be more cocky about being a SEAL than a Ranger being a Ranger.
That alone, is very hard to do.


Who are you all trying to convince here? Me, or yourselves?

[AriesKai]

No, I got them from my brother. He got the SEAL Manual a few years ago from a SEAL that he went to Airborne school with. Apparently there were a bunch that went through at the same time as him. He gave me a copy of the MACP manual. He has a few of them.

Then you have all 7 levels of the MACP manual?

Prove it :glasses2:

[AriesKai]

No, I got them from my brother. He got the SEAL Manual a few years ago from a SEAL that he went to Airborne school with. Apparently there were a bunch that went through at the same time as him. He gave me a copy of the MACP manual. He has a few of them.

Before you all waste your energy and burn more fat in your fatasses...

I'm done here. I've proved my point, you all can't prove yours, and your fake and false sense of "military hand to hand combat isn't shit" points are all misled, misguided, and can not in no way be proved by any means.


Good luck and farewell!!! :biggrin:



TROLLED.

[galois]