Basic technique forum

[battlefields]

A simply thank you would have sufficed.

You are a noob in Judo and on this site. If you are having problems then you really should be talking to your instructor and higher ranks in your club. Since I am not going to go on a diatribe about how you should set up big throws with little throws and gripping situations and the infinite other possibilities that are present for beginner Judo. It was best summed up in one word.

It is your responsibility to go out and learn it and get taught it correctly from an instructor at your club. Obviously you have a semblance of intelligence or you would not be able to operate a computer.

Now if you want a private lesson come on down to my gym (notice I used English to not tax your synapses) and I will be happy to give you one for $100 bucks an hour along with one of your friends.

People way more experienced than myself have written volumes on how to setup throws using kouchi. There are countless videos on youtube. There may even be a guy or two in your gym that can demonstrate the technique and show you some neat tricks. Instead though let's bitch about it yea that works.

You- I asked about Judo on the internet and this guy says some bullshit Japanese word that I then had to look up and I still don't know what he is talking about he was an asshole.

Your instructor-What did he say?

You-kouchigari

Your instructor- Oh yea that's a great technique for setting up throws let me show you some stuff.

You were given a golden nugget of wisdom in that one Japanese word. Actually its not Japanese it Nipponjin since only people who live outside of Nippon call it Japan. There you go another free lesson.

I haven't had a full cup of coffee yet anyone else want to get bitched at?

Who are you responding to? Cause none of that applies to me. Even your little free lesson is something I learnt back in high school, when I wondered why the derogatory word for a Japanese person was Nip.

[battlefields]

1point2, I hear what you are saying. My point is and always was that in a BASIC forum it might be better served to keep things BASIC. I imagine a good SAMBO instructor would not tell someone on their first lesson "do a perestroika fadoodlebambi" (using your example) and expect that person to know what it was or even meant, he would explain the BASICS of the fucking technique and give the new student a FOUNDATION from which they can then learn the intricacies of the term that is inherent. Heaven forbid someone teaches in a basics forum.

[TheRuss]

Dude, quit while you're behind.

[Kintanon]

OK, so instead of "Seio Nage" I'll say, "The throw where you sort of push someone, then when they push back you step through and turn your back to them, bend your knees, lean foward and turn. Oh and don't forget to grip the same side wrist or sleeve and then squeeze with the other arm tight when you lean forward."

OR I can just say, Seio Nage. And 2 seconds of googling gets you pictures, videos, etc... etc...

[Sang]

The OP is an idiot for all the reasons listed above. However i agree with him in regards to striking, nothing frustrates me more than trying to have a conversation with some Kyokushin guys. It's all mawashi geri and mae hiji ate, when the techniques have such easy english translations it's LARPing to use the japanese terms in general conversation. Osu on the other hand is ok, we don't really have an equivalent one syllable word, i just wish they wouldn't use it four times a sentence.

[battlefields]

Sang gets it, says he gets it but still joins in on the chorus. Kintanon, a brief description of the term you just used can't be that hard in a fucking basic forum where people may not be as advanced as you. But go ahead, keep dishing out lame discreditations and attempts at looking cool in front of the other posters. You are succeeding...

[Lindz]

How is it even possible to train judo without getting exposed to the japanese names for techniques?
But just for fun let's say they hadn't used the japanese name. You go to your sensei and say i wanna laern this throw where you pull the guy forward and sweep the leg.
He'll be like which of the 10 or so different ways of doing that do you mean? But if you say i want to learn ko uchi gari he says oh you do this this this and uke goes thud.

[MrGalt]

slightly off topic, but it's interesting listening to commentators in different languages. i recently watched the first half of the K1 final in japanese, then the rest in english.

i noticed that the japanese commentators would say "HIGH KICKU!!" and "PUNCHI!!" at various times when a good high kick or punch was thrown.

then i noticed that the english commentators would sometimes say "MAWASHI GERI!!" and so on when they saw the same thing.

This is my experience training in Japan too. Maybe a couple of people speak a little actual English beyond random words and phrases and half-remember high school stuff, but class instructions are always like, "OK, midderu kikku, appakatto, hukku..." for a combination or the instructions for a round might be, "low kikku dake (only)."

And just like the English commentators I tend to use the Japanese names more than the actual Japanese instructors. Mostly because I'm afraid I'll start using English names and wander out into an area where they don't know the English. Low, middle, high, punch, etc. are fine, but if I start to say "spinning outside crescent" I have a feeling I've left the realm of Engrish entirely.

[100xobm]

Sang gets it, says he gets it but still joins in on the chorus. Kintanon, a brief description of the term you just used can't be that hard in a fucking basic forum where people may not be as advanced as you. But go ahead, keep dishing out lame discreditations and attempts at looking cool in front of the other posters. You are succeeding...

I wouldn't bother prefacing this with a polite disclaimer normally, but I like you, so try to take it as nothing personal.

This is a harden the fuck up website. One of the key premises is that you're willing to come here to find what works, to take the harder, better road. And that means work. At least as far as my interpretation. I'm not saying your idea is a poor one, but you can't expect any instructor to want to spend time spelling something out, which would take 3x as long and be 1/3 as effective as time on the mat, or just saying "hadaka jime".

Just do your homework and you won't have this problem in two months time anyway. Until you know the throws, go to this page and press Ctrl+F to solve your problems.

Again, nothing personal, but harden up, Homework makes you better. And the advice you receive will only benefit someone with a working knowledge of the throw (for judo at least).

[Sang]

Sang gets it, says he gets it but still joins in on the chorus. Kintanon, a brief description of the term you just used can't be that hard in a fucking basic forum where people may not be as advanced as you. But go ahead, keep dishing out lame discreditations and attempts at looking cool in front of the other posters. You are succeeding...

I join in on the chorus because you are wrong, big difference between grappling arts and striking arts. As pretty much everyone has said there are no easy translations that everyone will understand - "hip throw" could mean 100's of possible techniques, "inside leg kick" is at most 3 or 4 and could be further defined with almost no misunderstanding.

The basic forum is not for teaching people martial arts, you have to go to a gym/dojo and put the hours in to learn their terminology. If you learn the greco-wrestling term for a throw and start discussing it, no one is going to be offended you aren't using the japanese word for it.

[Coach Josh]

Of course I was talking to you battlefields you made the OP.

On the issue of the Japanese commentators using the borrowed words for many techniques. My wife tells me that many words used in martial arts are specific to martial arts people. They are not part of the conversational language. Contrary to popular beliefs not all Japanese people do martial arts. So more than likely they are just trying to make it easy for the public to understand them or the commentators just don't know the name of the technique being used.

Yes if you come to class on the first day I am going to teach you the technique using the Japanese name. I even do so when I teach no-gi and MMA. It keeps with tradition and makes people think and focus on learning.

Like others have said when someone asks me a question about a technique and they start with "You know that throw when you put your..." and I have to spend 10 minutes on showing them something that they are not talking about then the say "No its when you do this..."

It happened last night with one of the BJJ purples belts in the Judo class. The whole time he kept trying sacrifice throws and I kept correcting him. He keeps trying explain what he is trying to do and I keep showing him uki waza and yoko otoshi. Finally he says no the one when you stay standing up. The whole time he was trying to do sasae tsuri komi ashi a standing foot technique. I punched him in the dick.

Moral:

Learning the proper terminology will keep you from getting punched in the dick.

[Kintanon]

Sang gets it, says he gets it but still joins in on the chorus. Kintanon, a brief description of the term you just used can't be that hard in a fucking basic forum where people may not be as advanced as you. But go ahead, keep dishing out lame discreditations and attempts at looking cool in front of the other posters. You are succeeding...

You're kidding right? A description of the throw is almost useless. I described like 5 different throws with that paragraph and nothing in it really helps you learn more. On the other hand "seio nage" is very specific and putting the phrase into google results in a wealth of information it's a high bandwidth word which is far more efficient to use instead of a half page description of the throw to achieve the same precision.

[Yoj]

On the issue of the Japanese commentators using the borrowed words for many techniques.

Loanwords, japanese is full of them, often bizarrely pronounced but hey.

We use them to, to describe things from foreign cultures we have borrowed, like Karaoke, instead of "One guy, or guys, or girls, singing into a microphone, in front of an audience of other potential participants, probably alcohol fueled"

By that we know exactly what it is, as opposed to a western traditional "sing along".

Why is it so hard to use the correct terminology for something? Are beginning medicine students allowed to refer to the tibula as the the "Bigger bottom leg bone"?

[maofas]

The OP is an idiot for all the reasons listed above. However i agree with him in regards to striking, nothing frustrates me more than trying to have a conversation with some Kyokushin guys. It's all mawashi geri and mae hiji ate, when the techniques have such easy english translations it's LARPing to use the japanese terms in general conversation. Osu on the other hand is ok, we don't really have an equivalent one syllable word, i just wish they wouldn't use it four times a sentence.

I so so agree with the techniques in striking. I think Karate people should be aware of the terms, but ffs it's faster to get to the point saying "hook" instead of "mawashi tsuki" (or, if they're super pretentious, they'll try to stretch it out as much as possible like, "That was a nice jodan mawashi seiken choku tsuski").

The purpose of language is to make things clear, not to obscure things more, thus I consider this an abuse!

Osu I don't say so much anymore, but it slips out sometimes. It's harder to not say it around a bunch of other Karate doods because they use the word (probably somewhat improperly, but whatever) as a question, an answer, a statement, a positive comment, etc. etc .etc. the list goes on. Like the Japanese/English names for striking techniques, sometimes it's just quicker to say osu than an entire phrase or sentence.

[Tom .C]

Please believe me when I say that learning the terminology of any of your endeavors will allow you to understand and learn faster. It is not a wasted effort. Refusing to learn terminology will only make it harder for people who would try to help or answer your questions. By the time someone explains a three combination sequence without terminology, you would have forgotten the first two sequences.

I remember thinking that it was stupid to learn the Japanese words. I made the effort though and can discuss Judo with other Judo players. It makes the conversation more pleasant when you can keep up.