Basic technique forum

[battlefields]

One thing I have noticed is people on Bullshido regularly use the Japanese names for techniques. Obviously there is a traditional reason for this practise, that being generally the technique in discussion is traditionally Japanese. I understand that and I also understand it must feel heaps good when you post a one word response in another language to a thread, mainly due to the knowledge that a few people with either the same training or who are bilingual would be able to understand this as a niche word.

It is not really my issue, I'm sure that there is many people on here that understand the one foreign word description, I'm just thinking it might pay to be a bit more inclusive, especially in the "basic" forum. I mean, how helpful to a n00b starting Judo with no prior language training is it when asking a question:

n00b: I need help.
Bullshido Judo expert: Kouchigari!

As I said, I don't care, they are niche words used by people who know what it means. I don't know what many of them mean but, due to nobody I know outside of this site using them, I can safely say I don't really care. If I did want to know more about the terms and their usage, it would be great to jump on Bullshido and see a brief description, once again, if only in the basic technique forum.

Happy for this to be moved and my corpse flayed...

[aznassassn]

I posted in that thread and I didn't know what kouchigari meant so I just googled it, took me like 2 seconds.

[danniboi07]

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[battlefields]

I googled it before I even started the thread, took me, like, twenty seconds. Three to load up google, three to enter the word, three for google to load search results, three to open search result and eight to read the fucking thing. I am talking in general on the efficiency of the basic techniques forum and its delivering basic technique advice. I am not just referring to that one instance, but if y'all wanna be dicks about it, go ahead, as I said, I don't care...

[danno]

slightly off topic, but it's interesting listening to commentators in different languages. i recently watched the first half of the K1 final in japanese, then the rest in english.

i noticed that the japanese commentators would say "HIGH KICKU!!" and "PUNCHI!!" at various times when a good high kick or punch was thrown.

then i noticed that the english commentators would sometimes say "MAWASHI GERI!!" and so on when they saw the same thing.

[Lindz]

So what's ko uchi gari in english? ive learnt the throw, but have no idea what to call it in english.

[Just Guess]

So what's ko uchi gari in english? ive learnt the throw, but have no idea what to call it in english.

small-inner-reap

[Naszir]

One thing that has been of tremendous benefit to myself and other new students in my judo class been Neil Ohlencamp's site. This has been extremely helpful with vocabulary. However, this forum assumes a bit of a basic knowledge in whatever art you are inquiring about as generally questions are asked by actual practitioners. So if one asks a judo question, they should expect a judo answer. The same can be said about guard transitions or striking patterns.

There is jargon used, just as in any other field of endeavour. It is just easier to say "kouchi-gari" than "step back with a j-step, while breaking your opponent's balance forward to get them to advance a foot and reap the advancing foot so your opponent falls like he slipped on the ice", and that is a crap explanation for that technique. The jargon cuts down on the time necessary to explain it (which your instructor should be the primary source of any information related to your training as they are there with you and not trying to explain things via the internet). Everyone who does judo (or has been to Mr Ohlencamp's site) knows what that (kouchi-gari) means.

Just like if you asked a question on a computer forum, you would hear terms like "optical drive" or "SATA" rather than "that thing that looks like a motorized coaster tray that you put cds and dvds in" or "some type of drive or its connector". A certain familiarity with the terms is pretty much taken as a given in any specialized forum. Please understand this is the language that is used. Judo has a language shared by millions the world over just as every art does. If one plans on learning the art they should invest some time in learning the lingo.

[Nefron]

I only know Judo techniques by their Japanese names.We don't translate them into our language.

[kodiak]

I googled it before I even started the thread, took me, like, twenty seconds. Three to load up google, three to enter the word, three for google to load search results, three to open search result and eight to read the fucking thing. I am talking in general on the efficiency of the basic techniques forum and its delivering basic technique advice. I am not just referring to that one instance, but if y'all wanna be dicks about it, go ahead, as I said, I don't care...

im not pointing my dick at you

I get your point but even though you think you are wasting Golden seconds in searching Then thats ok at least you learned something new

[jnp]

If you're not discussing an actual technique then the thread doesn't belong in the technique fora.

Here's what you typed:

One thing I have noticed is people on Bullshido regularly use the Japanese names for techniques. Obviously there is a traditional reason for this practise, that being generally the technique in discussion is traditionally Japanese. I understand that and I also understand it must feel heaps good when you post a one word response in another language to a thread, mainly due to the knowledge that a few people with either the same training or who are bilingual would be able to understand this as a niche word.

It is not really my issue, I'm sure that there is many people on here that understand the one foreign word description, I'm just thinking it might pay to be a bit more inclusive, especially in the "basic" forum. I mean, how helpful to a n00b starting Judo with no prior language training is it when asking a question:

n00b: I need help.
Bullshido Judo expert: Kouchigari!

As I said, I don't care, they are niche words used by people who know what it means. I don't know what many of them mean but, due to nobody I know outside of this site using them, I can safely say I don't really care. If I did want to know more about the terms and their usage, it would be great to jump on Bullshido and see a brief description, once again, if only in the basic technique forum.

Happy for this to be moved and my corpse flayed...

Here's what I read:

I'm too lazy to utilize Google.

Everybody stop what they're doing and cater to battlefields.

[Coach Josh]

A simply thank you would have sufficed.

You are a noob in Judo and on this site. If you are having problems then you really should be talking to your instructor and higher ranks in your club. Since I am not going to go on a diatribe about how you should set up big throws with little throws and gripping situations and the infinite other possibilities that are present for beginner Judo. It was best summed up in one word.

It is your responsibility to go out and learn it and get taught it correctly from an instructor at your club. Obviously you have a semblance of intelligence or you would not be able to operate a computer.

Now if you want a private lesson come on down to my gym (notice I used English to not tax your synapses) and I will be happy to give you one for $100 bucks an hour along with one of your friends.

People way more experienced than myself have written volumes on how to setup throws using kouchi. There are countless videos on youtube. There may even be a guy or two in your gym that can demonstrate the technique and show you some neat tricks. Instead though let's bitch about it yea that works.

You- I asked about Judo on the internet and this guy says some bullshit Japanese word that I then had to look up and I still don't know what he is talking about he was an asshole.

Your instructor-What did he say?

You-kouchigari

Your instructor- Oh yea that's a great technique for setting up throws let me show you some stuff.

You were given a golden nugget of wisdom in that one Japanese word. Actually its not Japanese it Nipponjin since only people who live outside of Nippon call it Japan. There you go another free lesson.

I haven't had a full cup of coffee yet anyone else want to get bitched at?

[Yoj]

When in rome, or more to the point, when in a judo dojo...

[100xobm]

To be honest, the english translations aren't that much more of a help,

Rice bale throw?
Mountain Storm Throw?
Granted some are obvious, but some really aren't.

Even "Lifting Pulling Ankle Block" (Sasae Tsurikomi ashi) could mean a bunch of different things. There's just no easy way around it.

Also, learning the japanese name means you can scream out "SEOI NAGEEEE!" as you throw them. Like goku.

Also, if you typed in 'small inner reap' into google to get some indepth stuff, it wouldn't be a quarter as good as if you typed in 'ko uchi'

Just my two cents, sorry if it's been said already.

[1point2]

Just to pile on here:

If I want advice on grappling from a SAMBO instructor, you'd better believe that I'm going to use and learn their terminology. Why? Because attempting to translate it is going to be imperfect and counterproductive. If SAMBO calls it a perestroika fadoodlebambi, I'm going to call it a perestroika fadooblebambi. I asked for his advice, and the term itself tells me something about the technique. Heaven forbid I learn.

The language judo uses has a wealth of meaning embedded not just in each word, but in the wordscape that it is a part of. Kouchigari suggests ouchigari and kouchigake and how it's different from an inside leg trip (or whatever) in wrestling.

My point is, when you want to learn from someone knowledgable, don't whine when they use the language that they use for that topic. It's useful, and saying "just tell me the stuff without using that language" is, in fact, a statement that has no meaning. It's an impossible task.