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  • DayOfTheJackass
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    I heard that Steven Seagal insists that ladies refer to his reproductive anatomy as his 'creepstick.'

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  • Larus marinus
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    Originally posted by Mtripp View Post
    Hmmm.... how EXACTLY would Gene LeBell gain anything from the story? Or Bob Wall for that matter?

    I haven't even told why Jenny McCarthy left her "audition" and did not do "Under Seige."

    The real problem here is what Steven is saying, not those of us who refute it.
    Just to make it clear, I didn't say that I didn't believe that Gene LeBell choked Seagal out and caused him to poop his pants, or that Gene has any sort of agenda - or that I believed that Seagal has been the innocent victim of a decades-long media smear campaign.

    Just trying to highlight the issue of believing everything written about the man (or any man) without considering the credibility of the source - and that a lot of people who've been famous for a long time have 'everyone's heard'-type stories/rumours attached to them, which may or may not be true, s'all. I didn't have any specific incident in mind when I wrote my post.

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  • Iainkelt
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    I've heard the audition story, and assuming it's true (and I'm not saying it isn't) it is definitely disgusting. I'm not really interested in defending his character as a person. He might be a dick, or just really weird, to 99% of people and only once in a while a decent guy to those he deems worthy. Totally possible and something that he has to deal with on his own as a human being.

    But, I would also just say that the question asked was whether or not we would consider him a "tough" guy. In my opinion, for whatever it is worth, the evidence would say yes. That doesn't mean he isn't a prick, or a bit of a nut job, or someone who triggers a "code brown" via RNC, or a pig with women. But he does have a legitimate martial arts background, he has to some degree served as a LEO, and he is apparently very good with a gun (I know next to nothing about shooting so I have to take other more qualified people's opinion). Maybe I just don't know enough about his apparently ducking out on fights or other cowardly behavior, but I don't think the evidence suggests that he is a total fraud. My best guess is that he is somebody who has bought into his own hype WAY too much. So is he as tough as Gene Lebell? No. At least not based on my definition and my respect for all the things Gene has done, but I don't think that automatically discounts everything else Seagal has done in his life.

    Oh and for the record, I find the Lebell story hilarious and awesome, and will gladly recount it for others......and yes, he runs like a retarded 8yo girl.

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  • SaintHamish
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    Originally posted by Mtripp View Post

    I haven't even told why Jenny McCarthy left her "audition" and did not do "Under Seige."

    *suscribes*

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  • Psycho Dad
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    Originally posted by Mtripp View Post
    I haven't even told why Jenny McCarthy left her "audition" and did not do "Under Seige."
    Now, I'm curious and I know I'm not the only one who is wondering what's the story behind this "audition." Is there any chance you could tell us something?

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  • Mtripp
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    Originally posted by Larus marinus View Post
    Absolutely - there's a lot of negative stuff about him out there. I suppose that I've read/heard most of the same stuff as you over the years.

    Is it all 100% true? Probably not. Hollywood celebs are notorious for feuding in public and talking shit about other celebs in interviews for publicity and damage-control purposes. If a film you starred in tanks, blame your co-stars for being a bunch of unprofessional jerks and assholes. If a relationship goes south, dish the dirt and tell the press about your ''x' months of hell' - what a nasty, fucked-up prick/bitch your significant other was whilst portraying yourself as completely blameless. Then later perhaps come out and say that you never actually said any of it.

    Is it all false? I very, very, very much doubt it. When the same stories and the same variations on a theme start to emerge over a period of years from a whole host of unrelated people, many with little to gain from telling of their experiences, then it suggests to me that there's probably some substance to a whole lot of it.

    It's always a good idea to consider the motives of the accusers and the motives/past record of journalistic integrity of the people publishing the accusations - then to think again about who stands to benefit financially from the whole thing...
    Hmmm.... how EXACTLY would Gene LeBell gain anything from the story? Or Bob Wall for that matter?

    I haven't even told why Jenny McCarthy left her "audition" and did not do "Under Seige."

    The real problem here is what Steven is saying, not those of us who refute it.

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  • ArrogantBastard
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    Originally posted by Mtripp View Post
    Ok, background. I am old. I know Gene LeBell personally, and to a lesser extent Bob Wall and Chuck Norris. I spent over two hours on the phone with Bob Wall on this subject.

    While hesitant to post much these days, due to the sad fact that the US no longer has a legitimate and legal dueling tradition any longer. To wit, someone who wants to defile your name or honor should know they will have to look down a dueling pistol to do so, and it could mean their life. But I digress, I will post the facts once more.

    First, rank is meaningless. There simply too many ways around quality control.

    Second, we know for a fact that many of the stories Steven has told are lies; ie CIA stuff.

    Bob Wall, along with 11 other people, called him out and nothing came of it. Steven to this day runs from Bob Wall.

    On the set of "Under Seige" Steven was holding court about the mighty powers of Aikido and Ki Power. He stated he could extend his Ki into his neck and he could not be choked out.

    I pause to point out I was at a major Juko-lie Ki clinic and this claim, along with many other insane ones, was made all the time. It is a common belief.

    One of the stunt men, upon hearing that claim, said "I'll take that bet." That man, was Gene LeBell. Gene walked up, got behind Steven, and put the choke on. Steven tapped right away and said "I wasn't ready."

    Gene said "Let me know when you are ready." Steven said "now," and grabbed for Gene's balls.... Gene sprawled, and choked Steven out, and held it for good measure.

    Steven made a mess in his shorts, both poo-poo and pee-pee; Bob Wall has the cleaning statement from the set about this.

    When Steve came to; he threw Gene off the set, and had him blacklisted. The National Inquirer caught wind of the story, and wrote that a 60 something stuntman just choked out the great Steven.... so a deal was made. Steven would end the blacklisting, and Gene would keep his mouth shut.

    Mr. Wall and myself made no such deal.

    My first hand experience is that his ego is only exceeded by his skills as a jackass.

    As for fighting skills, not so much....
    Just saw Karo Parisyan v. Strasser Dave on UFC Unleashed and Joe Rogan mentions this incident but doesn't go into too much detail.

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  • Larus marinus
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    Originally posted by nightowl View Post
    His douchebaggery is fairly well documented by both tabloids and his own words. From SNL to Hollywood sets, he is known for being an ass (and in many martial circles- a total clown). It isn't just a couple of tabloid pages.
    Absolutely - there's a lot of negative stuff about him out there. I suppose that I've read/heard most of the same stuff as you over the years.

    Is it all 100% true? Probably not. Hollywood celebs are notorious for feuding in public and talking shit about other celebs in interviews for publicity and damage-control purposes. If a film you starred in tanks, blame your co-stars for being a bunch of unprofessional jerks and assholes. If a relationship goes south, dish the dirt and tell the press about your ''x' months of hell' - what a nasty, fucked-up prick/bitch your significant other was whilst portraying yourself as completely blameless. Then later perhaps come out and say that you never actually said any of it.

    Is it all false? I very, very, very much doubt it. When the same stories and the same variations on a theme start to emerge over a period of years from a whole host of unrelated people, many with little to gain from telling of their experiences, then it suggests to me that there's probably some substance to a whole lot of it.

    It's always a good idea to consider the motives of the accusers and the motives/past record of journalistic integrity of the people publishing the accusations - then to think again about who stands to benefit financially from the whole thing...
    Last edited by Larus marinus; 12/04/2009 6:06pm, .

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  • nightowl
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    Originally posted by Larus marinus View Post
    Nice story, Ian. Thanks.

    Personally, with Seagal (as with anyone) we should all be careful not to fall into the 'I don't like the guy (or I think he's a clown, or whatever) - so by default, everyone who criticizes him is being 100% truthful and everything he says in his defence is BS' trap, in the absence of conclusive proof either way.

    Nutriding is lame - but being one of those guys who'll read something sensationalistic about a person in the supermarket tabloid press or on some tacky celeb blog and immediately jump on internets, all "guy's a fucking scumbag and a psycho!" isn't particularly admirable either.

    I'm not aiming this at anyone here. Just some musings, FWIW.
    His douchebaggery is fairly well documented by both tabloids and his own words. From SNL to Hollywood sets, he is known for being an ass (and in many martial circles- a total clown). It isn't just a couple of tabloid pages.

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  • Larus marinus
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    Here's a 1995 article which talks of SS's guns and gun skillz, for your reading pleasure.

    http://www.tusseycustom.com/articlecustompistolsss.htm

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  • Larus marinus
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    Nice story, Ian. Thanks.

    Personally, with Seagal (as with anyone) we should all be careful not to fall into the 'I don't like the guy (or I think he's a clown, or whatever) - so by default, everyone who criticizes him is being 100% truthful and everything he says in his defence is BS' trap, in the absence of conclusive proof either way.

    Nutriding is lame - but being one of those guys who'll read something sensationalistic about a person in the supermarket tabloid press or on some tacky celeb blog and immediately jump on internets, all "guy's a fucking scumbag and a psycho!" isn't particularly admirable either.

    I'm not aiming this at anyone here. Just some musings, FWIW.

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  • Iainkelt
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    Ok, I'll bite.

    As a disclaimer (as I've mentioned in other threads) I trained in Aikido for a couple of years before burning out and eventually turning to BJJ/Judo in the desire for something more alive and "real". I'm very willing to point out the flaws in Aikido's limited skillset but I also don't believe that it is worthless, and some (note the underline) of the techniques they teach are legit and also taught in judo/jjj/bjj etc.

    So then, about Seagal. I've only got non-direct knowledge, but here it is. I can tell you that among the people I knew and trained with they tended to view him as a blowhard egoist/fantasy type, at least in his later years, but strictly within the confines of Aikido he was no joke. I do know someone who briefly trained with him directly back when Seagal ran a dojo on the west coast. Long story short, the guy I knew is a marine and wandered into his dojo (not knowing it was his school) to ask about training and was, out of the blue, introduced by a senior student to the man himself. Long story short, Seagal was actually very cool to him, I'm sure based largely on his marine status, chatted for a while and gave him a private lesson/assessment on the spot. Apparently the initial lesson was Seagal standing on the mat and encouraging him simply to attack. No other instructions/limitations, no "grab my wrist", no bs "I can't be choked out" nonsense. Then the throwing began, and continued, and continued. Apparently Seagal was complimentary on his heart and attitude, provided some basic advice and pointers, gave him the gi he was wearing, and let him take free lessons up until he was sent back east.

    In no way am I trying to say that any of this means he is some real life, fire breathing, ass kicking machine. But I also think sometimes it is easy for people to become a bit of a cariacture of themselves. In other words, yes I think he is a bit...off...and possibly also a dick to a lot of people so I'm not defending his character as a person. But if we ignored all the tibetan/native american stuff and his energy drinks etc, is he talented as a martial artist? At least as far as Aikido goes, I would say so, yes. That doesn't make him invincable though, or give him a pass on being a nutter or a dick. I'm just saying that those are separate questions as we have probably all seen in our own lives.

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  • Don Gwinn
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    1) I heard he was one of the best shooters in the United States (maybe an exaggeration from the guy who told me this), and had taught the LAPD and various other LE organizations firearms techniques. Anyone care to verify this? I saw an episode on A&E showcasing his firearms skill and he seemed pretty good, but I'm shitty when it comes to shooting so what the fuck do I know?
    Absolute bullshit would be my guess. The LAPD has their own pretty good (for a police force) firearms trainers and the budget to bring in real trainers.
    Although I'm no expert myself, I've been able to work and correspond with some of the top trainers and competitors in the country, and I've never heard this claim before, nor any mention of Seagal at all from any of these people.

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  • It is Fake
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    IMDB is about as reliable as Wiki when it comes to information.

    Certain info is spot on but, Bios tend to be off until fixed.

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