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    How to get friends to see the light.

    We all know the stigma that surrounds MA and martial artists. People still think of us as the Karate Kid and Bruce Lee. People ask about Crane kicks and Dim Mak and all that shit.

    Every MA is interchangable with the term 'Karate' which is like saying 'Gun' i.e. it doesn't mean shit.

    However people suddenly become knowledgable and intelligent when an actual MA discussion occurs. I have heard the Ninjutsu and Wing Chun are the most lethal martial arts in the world.

    When I pointed out that:
    A) Ninjutsu is not a martial art, it is a term used to describe the stealthy techniques (or not, but let's not go into that) and that the combined body skills were actually Taijutsu, a deritative of Japanese Jiu-Jitsu, they scoff.

    and B) It's actually been turned into an MA used by diploma mills and such to attract LARPing dipshits they say IDK shit

    As for the chun, they say never to bag a chunner in case he kills me or some shit. Also they say that the skills can't be sparred for fear of death, and that's why they suck at every fight tournament ever.

    I say

    A) Wing Chun is an ineffective MA that doesn't work because the they dont' spar (see their 'too deadly'), but how do they know it works. It doesn't and they won't know that till a boxer eats them.

    And B) How come the PRC learn Sanda? and the Japanese Army do Judo, and US a system based on MMA?

    Even my friends that do MT at 'Hammers Gym',( look it up, I would be so happy if it was a BS school) are brainwashed into thinking that Muay Boran would beat every single grappler, MMA and (i'm serious) ninjer ever. They base this on "That shits illegal man", and "In Thailand is the only place you can do it"...

    But all this:deadhorse:deadhorse:deadhorseaside,

    What can I say to get them to see the light? I don't want a revolution of MA, just for my idiot mates to shut up. I'm sure we all feel this way.

    #2
    I had a friend who did Wing Chun. I told him that my shitty grappling at the time would still rape his face like it was a battle in the Zulu wars. He said, "No. It wouldn't." So you know what I did? I foot swept him into mount and then let him roll to his back and choked him out.

    Guess which friend of mine simultaneously doesn't talk to me anymore or about wing chun and it's awesomeness because I choked him out in front of a large group of people?

    What I'm trying to say here is, stop trying to talk to your friends and just smash them in the head already.

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      #3
      Can medication make people realise they've believed weird things for years? - No BS MMA and Martial Arts

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        #4
        I have a friend who did Wing Chun and i managed to convince him of the importance of alive training. Instead of taking up an art like BJJ, Judo or Boxing he just gave up on martial arts and i think the reason for this was that he did'nt really fancy having to actually get hit/submitted.

        Most of the people who train Wing Chun/Ninjitsu etc.. want to learn to fight without having to put any real effort it. They dont wanna be punched in the face and they dont wanna train to the point of exhaustion but the reality is it's the only way.

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          #5
          Close your mouth and train RealManOfSteel, that's how you get your friends to see the light. Being unable to fight doesn't put you in a good position to tell other people they can't fight even if you have valid evidence.

          I had a friend of a friend try and show me the light shortly after my karate days, i'm saving that story until i figure out what his username on Bullshido was at the time.
          "Boxing is the art of hitting an opponent from the furthest distance away, exposing the least amount of your body while getting into position to punch with maximum leverage and not getting hit."
          Kenny Weldon

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            #6
            I had a guy tell me his several weeks of muay thai could beat my years of martial arts training because it's the best standup style. All kinds of nutriders can be annoying.

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              #7
              Originally posted by Sang View Post
              Close your mouth and train RealManOfSteel, that's how you get your friends to see the light. Being unable to fight doesn't put you in a good position to tell other people they can't fight even if you have valid evidence.
              Yeah I am looking to get some BJJ when time permits. I'm only 16, so I can wait for the right opportunity.

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                #8
                Originally posted by Sirc View Post
                I had a friend who did Wing Chun. I told him that my shitty grappling at the time would still rape his face like it was a battle in the Zulu wars. He said, "No. It wouldn't." So you know what I did? I foot swept him into mount and then let him roll to his back and choked him out.

                Guess which friend of mine simultaneously doesn't talk to me anymore or about wing chun and it's awesomeness because I choked him out in front of a large group of people?

                What I'm trying to say here is, stop trying to talk to your friends and just smash them in the head already.
                Man I would love to but I only train shitty kung fu (like when your 12 you do shitty karate, then you accidentally stay). Also they don't do WC, just nutride coz of a teacher that does it.

                Even if they did, then "I only train to kill. If I'd been all eye gougey and hair pulleyed you'd have died"

                Plus the MT guys have good training it seems, just that they nutride MB

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                  #9
                  As soon as I figure out how to stop my friend from doing Aikido, I'll tell you know how to do it. If I can convince a guy who honestly believes he could defeat an infinite number of opponents at the same time without breaking a sweat, I'm sure others can convince WT nutriders that the style is terrible. (And the stupid "we do not seek conflict" line from him makes this REALLY hard to do).

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                    #10
                    For me personally, the realisation that I was training poorly came about on its own. This site, a kickboxing class, and the fact that even in the depths of my krotty training I hated point sparring eventually made me see the light. If your friends don't want to change, then you can submit them all day long and it won't male a difference. They will come up with excuses, back pedal, or not even talk about it.

                    If you want to keep trying, go ahead. Just keep in mind that your are wasting energy that could be better spent elsewhere.

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                      #11
                      Had two friends like that. One loves kung fu and thought very little of grappling, saying he didn't want to go to the ground, he trains only striking, so he wouldn't ever get to the ground. The other does WTF TKD and thought it was highly effective for SD.

                      First one, my saying that thinking you won't end up on the ground because you only train stand up is mistaken, since boxers train not to get KO'd but it still happens, had no effect. So we sparred. I was a few months into BJJ, and took him down at will: doubles, singles, snap downs, body locks, etc. No where near as clean as they could or should be, obviously, but he had no experience at that range, so they worked. The last time I brought it to the ground, I set up a guillotine then just sat, then switched to a kimura.

                      The exchange: - My arm is in a very weird position. - Yes it is, I can crank it here. - Ow ow ow ow! He tried to explain it by saying there's a pressure point on his right bicep, and that the pain was from my moving his skin an inch to the right.

                      Next, hip bump into mount, light GnP, keylock from mount. Now he loves grappling.

                      The latter friend, it took my visiting his dojang on their self-defense day (read: very light pad work, followed by crappling taught by someone with no formal training) and taking on his classmates one after another after another that night to open his eyes. They couldn't keep clear of the clinch, and were helpless once they lost that kicking range. Seeing his white belt friend do that to his class of non-WBs erased any illusions he had.

                      Final verdict: it's a sport (not combat sport) with the point sparring and stamina required, and like any other sport, it can be fun, and as long as you enjoy it and know what you're getting out of it, forget anyone who tries to tell you what sport you should do.

                      It takes proof, clear, irrefutable proof to get your friend to reconsider his training.
                      Last edited by capt. moroni; 8/28/2009 10:05am, .

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                        #12
                        I totally agree with your last statement...as long as people who point fight don't think their t3h d3adly because of it.

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                          #13
                          Originally posted by capt. moroni View Post
                          It takes proof, clear, irrefutable proof to get your friend to reconsider his training.
                          ^Yup.

                          Just train hard, get effective and don't worry so much about your friends' minds. Worry about yours.
                          "Never trust a quote you read on the internet" - Abraham Lincoln



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                            #14
                            My sister's friend, a night time security guard told me one time that Savate was so d34dly, that it was illegal here in the USA.

                            I laughed at him. Then I had a former prison guard from Arizona say the same thing.

                            I didn't laugh that time. I wondered: what is it with guards and illegal savate?
                            SEANBABY:
                            "The seventh law of thermodynamics is that every time a fat person gets near a trapdoor, they fall in. Itís the closest thing we have to scientific proof of God."

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                              #15
                              Originally posted by jkdbuck76 View Post
                              My sister's friend, a night time security guard told me one time that Savate was so d34dly, that it was illegal here in the USA.

                              I laughed at him. Then I had a former prison guard from Arizona say the same thing.

                              I didn't laugh that time. I wondered: what is it with guards and illegal savate?
                              It's probably an OSHA rule. (that's "Occupational Safety & Health Act" that legislates safety in often hilarious ways)

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