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    Martial Talk is allowing Matthew Morton to hide on their forum.

    Originally posted by joecos View Post
    I hate to be the bubble burster here, but I'm calling troll. Way too amateurish for a serious case of fraud. This is someone trying to get us to jump through hoops.

    The question then becomes, since his "third leg" thread started this, is Zen of Anger in on the troll?
    Maybe it started as a troll on Martial Talk. But the images weren't meant for us.
    What a disgrace it is for a man to grow old without ever seeing the beauty and strength of which his body is capable. -Xenophon's Socrates

    #2
    Originally posted by joecos View Post
    I hate to be the bubble burster here, but I'm calling troll. Way too amateurish for a serious case of fraud. This is someone trying to get us to jump through hoops.

    The question then becomes, since his "third leg" thread started this, is Zen of Anger in on the troll?
    Hey now sonny, you know the rules, once one of us has yelled ' witchhunt' there's no turning back!

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      #3
      Originally posted by Lebell View Post
      Hey now sonny, you know the rules, once one of us has yelled ' witchhunt' there's no turning back!
      And you don't see a possible problem with that do you?
      This thread never was a high quality conversation - My friend vern Gilbert on the William Acquier thread.

      The fight in question having started over who owns which piece of rubble. Nicko1;2233174 On the Acquier Kim Fiasco slash thread.

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        #4
        True, and since he has posted on this thread and has posted on Bullshido as recently as 4 hours ago, I doubt his is ignorant of the proceedings thus far. He is free and welcomed to enter this thread and clarify everything and I would expect other posters would agree.

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          #5
          Originally posted by War Wheel View Post
          There is also evidence of tampering on other cert images.

          Matt, how often do you get "scammed" like this anyway?
          LMAO at this post.

          You hit the nail on the head.
          "Through the centuries, the Jews have endured terrible persecution, and you know that. We've all read it, studied it. They've gone through a lot. And those seeking their destruction, we will seek their destruction." -President Donald Trump, spewing his Nazi, racist, anti-Semitism.

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            #6
            Martial Talk is allowing Matthew Morton to hide on their forum.

            Originally posted by Samuel Browning View Post
            You still haven't explained how Eric Thompson fooled you into believing that you were certified in Gracie Combatives with a .jpg file. You also have not explained how the Roger Gracie certificate came from Michael Garcia. How does that work? Did you train in BJJ under Garcia, or did he tell you that you were good enough to be given the rank on your merits?

            Don just summarized the issue there. I've never heard of someone getting only a .jpg for a Black Belt certificate before.
            In here :

            Originally posted by matt.m View Post
            I was mailed and emailed the bogus fucking certs.
            He says he was both e-mailed the certs and also recieved a physical copy of them.

            Assuming his story is true, then Thompson could have altered a certificate on the computer, printed it out, and sent the falsified doc to Morton by email and the printed copy by mail or whatever. That would be why there is evidence of tampering if Morton did not scan a copy of the physical certificate and instead used the images Thompson sent to him. That would take into account both the photoshopping and the third party allegedly present.

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              #7
              Originally posted by Scrapper View Post
              Occam's razor, people.

              While it is POSSIBLE that two separate people defrauded Mr. Morton with the exact same technique, It does not appear PLAUSIBLE. We need more verification to contraindicate the obvious conclusion here.
              Fool me once, shame on you, fool me twice, shame on me :rolleyes:

              Might wanna consider than maybe Garcia and Thompson worked in concert and that Morton pretty much got the certs at the same time.

              If not, well...the above quote applies. : \
              Last edited by kikoolol; 6/21/2009 8:00am, .

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                #8
                Originally posted by kikoolol View Post
                In here :



                He says he was both e-mailed the certs and also recieved a physical copy of them.

                Assuming his story is true, then Thompson could have altered a certificate on the computer, printed it out, and sent the falsified doc to Morton by email and the printed copy by mail or whatever. That would be why there is evidence of tampering if Morton did not scan a copy of the physical certificate and instead used the images Thompson sent to him. That would take into account both the photoshopping and the third party allegedly present.
                Please explain why Thompson would increase his chances of getting caught by providing the actual doctored files.
                Last edited by Matt Phillips; 6/21/2009 5:26pm, .
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                  #9
                  Matt, you're a fucking liar. It's that simple.

                  Again, if you're telling the truth, TWO of you trusted military buddies conned you. That's bullshit. And we all know it.

                  So, after proving you were flat-out lying about your BJJ rank, we are supposed to just believe everything you say about your alleged miltary service? Get real. You the one who got caught with false certs, got caught lying, and whose story keeps changing. It's YOU who needs to start ponying up proof (like a DD-214), not the the people on this site.
                  "Through the centuries, the Jews have endured terrible persecution, and you know that. We've all read it, studied it. They've gone through a lot. And those seeking their destruction, we will seek their destruction." -President Donald Trump, spewing his Nazi, racist, anti-Semitism.

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                    #10
                    Originally posted by 1bad65 View Post
                    Matt, you're a fucking liar. It's that simple.

                    Again, if you're telling the truth, TWO of you trusted military buddies conned you. That's bullshit. And we all know it.

                    So, after proving you were flat-out lying about your BJJ rank, we are supposed to just believe everything you say about your alleged miltary service? Get real. You the one who got caught with false certs, got caught lying, and whose story keeps changing. It's YOU who needs to start ponying up proof (like a DD-214), not the the people on this site.
                    Easy breezy. There is no need for name calling. There is a meeting scheduled and CY Faunce is making a judgement about what will suffice with docs inspected by White Kimbo.

                    This serves no purpose.

                    It has been established and can be verified (by anyone who has gone to seminars) that there is a chain of authority with signatures and documents that can be breached in any number of places. In a nutshell lets see what happens with White Kimba's liason before any more accusations are made.
                    This thread never was a high quality conversation - My friend vern Gilbert on the William Acquier thread.

                    The fight in question having started over who owns which piece of rubble. Nicko1;2233174 On the Acquier Kim Fiasco slash thread.

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                      #11
                      Originally posted by Dsimon3387 View Post
                      Easy breezy. There is no need for name calling. There is a meeting scheduled and CY Faunce is making a judgement about what will suffice with docs inspected by White Kimbo.

                      This serves no purpose.

                      It has been established and can be verified (by anyone who has gone to seminars) that there is a chain of authority with signatures and documents that can be breached in any number of places. In a nutshell lets see what happens with White Kimba's liason before any more accusations are made.
                      Agreed. Let's work with this man. As long as he's cooperating reasonably and answering questions, there's no need to flame him.

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                        #12
                        I would consider the source.... White Kimba BTW nice job. I notice that Matt has on the thread, in the midst of otherwise coherent statements, misnamed something, used a term that is not used generally for a type of cert, etc. These are all signs of some recurring brain trauma. Context related knowledge and short term memory are usually a couple of areas that you see affected a lot by injuries like this... so yu might have somoene who can tell you what they had for breakfast ten years ago to the day, yet can't remember how to spell their kid's name.

                        Having said that Matt's handicap could affect his judgement of a certificate and of a sanctioning procedure. I hope at this point that these two certifiers didn't set him up for this deliberately because of what Matt sustained, I really hope not.
                        This thread never was a high quality conversation - My friend vern Gilbert on the William Acquier thread.

                        The fight in question having started over who owns which piece of rubble. Nicko1;2233174 On the Acquier Kim Fiasco slash thread.

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                          #13
                          Were I to find someone took advantage of him BECAUSE he was so injured...

                          ...I would take that as a PERSONAL offense.
                          "Out of every hundred men, ten shouldn't even be there, eighty are just targets, nine are the real fighters, and we are lucky to have them, for they make the battle. Ah, but the one, one is a warrior, and he will bring the others back." -- Hericletus, circa 500 BC

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                            #14
                            Originally posted by Mtripp View Post
                            Were I to find someone took advantage of him BECAUSE he was so injured...

                            ...I would take that as a PERSONAL offense.
                            Agreed
                            Originally posted by OnceLost
                            Actually, I don't do it because I don't want people to be scammed - I do it because I enjoy kicking down the doors of Lies and Deceit and then forcibly fucking Fraud with the dildo of Truth.
                            Originally posted by It is Fake
                            I don't care if they gave it to him because, he tickles butterfly butt-holes while wearing a pink frock.

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                              #15
                              Well that's pretty despicable if they did.

                              I think Lebell might get his witch hunt after all...

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