a chunner tries to start a fight with me. (aka. lack of alive training = insecurity )

[wingchunx2z]

So this just happened about... oh... an hour ago.

Pretty much illustrates.. that arts that lack alive training/pressure testing/competition either

1. breed insecurity and the need to show off/prove themselves.

2. Attract the type who want to feel deadly/feel dominant without any of the hard work/humility required.

The story:

Alright.. so Im at the club. Enjoying myself a good buzz with my friends.
Feeling pretty laid back/relaxed.

Some guy comes out of nowhere, greets one of my friends with a lousy imitation of a thai clinch and some faux knees.

Im like oo someone else who trains. awesome!
I haven't been to the gym for awhile so I haven't gotten to talk MA with anyone for a spell.

so I go over and I'm like.. hey you train in thai boxing right?

and he looks at me like I just took a shit somewhere and he's smelling it.

"hell naw. I do wing chun dude. Bruce lee and Yip man fool"

and Im like really? i didnt know chun used knees or clinch that much. ( as far as I know. i thought it was mostly those weird kicks and chain punching.)

I expected him to explain or whatever but apparently he thought I was disrespecting him and he's all like dude don't fuck with me. I've trained for 15 years in wing chun.

and im like dude i wasn't trying to disrespect you or say I'm better than you. I've tried wing chun before as it was before my judo class. I just didnt know they used knees that much

then he pushes me hard and in response.. instead of slamming him with a hard osoto gari. I was actually calm and looked him in the eye and was like... dude? seriously? Im not trying to fight no one.

He came forward and tried to hit me and I stepped to the side.. and then my friends came in to intercede. I just kind of hung back. Didnt look at him because everytime I made eye contact with him, it seemed to make him want to fight. some of the girls came and they told me "he was a spaz and when he was drunk he actually tried to fight one of them (a girl) before"

I was just kind of in a state of.. not caring or disbelief. didn't feel threatened at all.. although I probably should have.

The whole concept of picking a fight over that was just.. ridiculous.. I was kind of absorbed into that until a girl caught my eye and I went to go talk to her and get shot down. :p


still, I even recognize his behaviour partially.. I used to spaz out sorta.. choking my friends when i saw them or whatever.. trying to show off.. etc. but that was when i first started training but that was back when i was 19. Before I competed. 15 years in only the chun.. yet still acting like a overly eager noob who just started.

I'd be kind of proud of myself for not losing my cool, if I could be sure that it wasn't the alcohol + add meds making me that laid back.

Anyway.
Douchebag MAers shouldn't pick a fight if they don't train alive or compete.
but if they did.. then they might not be douche's with something to prove.

That's really strange. I've never noticed that about traditional martial artists. All the one's I've been around are into the whole discipline and self control aspect. Sport fighters have been just as friendly and amiable. The only real guys with attitudes I've met have been the tapout wearing MMA fan boy group.
I hear alot of aikido and chunners have bad attitudes but I've never seen this personally. Maybe florida MA'ists are more docile lol.

I take that back.. we did have this one kid who said he trained tkd come into the kwoon and ask to challenge sifu but luckily sifu was out and we managed to get him to leave in time to save the kid's life before he got back in.

In any case props for showing restraint and self control.

[NJM]

I was just kind of in a state of.. not caring or disbelief. didn't feel threatened at all.. although I probably should have.

I know the feeling. It's the feeling you get when someone seriously attacks you who's only trained compliant drills.

Confusing because A: you know he's serious, which pulls up "fight/self defense" mode in your brain. and B: because he's attacking you in a demo/ light sparring way that, in martial artists, triggers the "oh, this is just light sparring or a drill" mode in your brain.

[Rakshasa]

superlol! really. Poor sods! Both the wing chun guy and the jj green belt.

This reminds me though. A guy in my dojo used to train wing chun. according to him most who trained there were bouncers and private security guards who liked to brag in the locker room about whom they beat up in the weekend using this and that teqnice (yeah I know I spelled "teqnice" wrong). Kinda wierd. I thougt chun was s'pose to be a "nice" and "peaceful" martial art.

[Wounded Ronin]

"he was a spaz and when he was drunk he actually tried to fight one of them (a girl) before"

That's okay because Wing Chun was created by a Buddhist nun called Ng Mui, and therefore the random female would have had the advantage in a wing chun battle.

[Wounded Ronin]

the saddest guy i know is a self declared ultimate self defense master.
he's nerdy looking, late 40ies, his body language is insecure and goofy, and he boasts about his skills to try and impress girls.
like a giant martial harry potter.

Yesterday I was at the Orleans Casino in Las Vegas watching Tuff N Uff. Just outside the arena there were various tables and booths promoting and trying to sell things.

One table actually had a heavily patched-up ke?po looking guy who had the appearance you're talking about. He looked bored and nobody was stopping at his table.

[Mr. Fong]

ah man, i know those types of guys.

i know this big fat ing-un guy who always says: we should definately spar, i teach you some moves i learned from Emin Boztepe personally.
ive always said sure and he has my phonenumber, yet he never calls me. :-(

the saddest guy i know is a self declared ultimate self defense master.
he's nerdy looking, late 40ies, his body language is insecure and goofy, and he boasts about his skills to try and impress girls.
like a giant martial harry potter.

i ve learned that people who -like that guy- greet other people with a clinch and knees are nobheads who want to be dominant, and you should never let them get away with it if they'd do it with you.

Reminds me of a time I met this one dude in school, he was pretty big and so was I, he always harrassed people mostly smaller then him, he was also the wannabe soldier dude wearing camo to school alot, (I dont think anything is wrong with wearing camo) but he brought his Camo clothing to school alot (w/e) then one day he is doing what he cales (Marine corps take down) where he just charges at people smaller then him and keep doing this horrible formation.

So I guess one day he thought I'd be a easy bait, He asks me if he can do the Marine corp take down thingy on me (Im like sure) so now I see him charging at me and I just easily kept throwing him around lke a pancake (I was surprised cuz 95% of the people at the place I train can kick my arse)
then the next day he said "lol what u did was dumb, If it were a real fight I would have pulled a knife out on you and could of stabbed you"

But i guess he forgot about the part where I had him in complete control,
this guy wasnt mentally ill or anything, he is kinda like a bully....

told him to train in t3h Jiu jitsu or wrestling,

another Larper saved. (I told this story in another thread but it was alot shorter)

[hornyhobo]

I would have told him to practice ninjutsu or something. Bullies don't need to know what they're doing doesn't work.

[Bustardo]

I would have told him to practice ninjutsu or something. Bullies don't need to know what they're doing doesn't work.

I dunno, if they show up and train at an alive place they usually discover how badly they suck quite quickly and never return. Then they go on LARPing.

OP you have more control than I would have, if some jackass shoves me or gives me a hard push the next thing they're getting is a right hook or leg kick.

[MrGalt]

That's really strange. I've never noticed that about traditional martial artists. All the one's I've been around are into the whole discipline and self control aspect.

Your experience I suspect is the less common variety. More of the TMAers I have met were arrogant dicks. Honestly a lot of the sport fighters I have met have been preening jocks too, but I guess that goes with the territory. I don't think our little hobby attracts modest, polite, quiet guys in droves anyway.

Getting your ass kicked regularly in training should theoretically at least lead to humility more reliably than having your confidence boosted to ever-greater heights by doing compliant drills all the time.

[crappler]

so I go over and I'm like.. hey you train in thai boxing right?
===================
That, right there, is the problem. Why even fucking bring it up? You weren't in a dojo. You were in a bar, with drunks, saying basically "yeah, I know how to fight" and you are surprised when you start questioning him that he wants to go? I mean, you weren't exactly looking for trouble but you also weren't minding your own business. I fucking HATE it when I'm at a bar and one my friends says "yeah, he's a black belt" to which I usually reply "yeah, but it was more like a health club. It's not like those Gracie JJ dudes. Those guys are fighters...blah blah blah..."

[Mr. Fong]

I would have told him to practice ninjutsu or something. Bullies don't need to know what they're doing doesn't work.

Really good point....unless it can possible convert the bully to non-bully

[JavaRonin]

It's almost always a bad idea bringing up your MA training with a stranger, or critiquing the MA training of said stranger. Period.

Regarding which MA has the biggest pricks, I've not seen a particular pattern and the liveness of training doesn't seem to have anything to do with it. Case in point, an incident that happened in class this evening. We were working on mat randori when suddenly there was shouting on the other side of the mats. One BB was yelling at his BB partner something about his nads getting <inaudible> blah blah blah. Everyone stopped and looked over at what appeared to be a full scale fight break out. The coach ran over and threw the hot head BB out. I don't know what happened but it was suprising to see someone at that rank losing control. There hasn't been a single open rolling session where I've not had something getting bruised, scratched, twisted, and so on. It's nothing personal but I guess to any jerk it is.

[Mr. Fong]

yep, I get beat up quite alot during sparring and I quite enjoy it, learn from it, then get better, after alot of hard work it is possible for you to surpass the person you wasnt able to surpass in the past =p, just cant give up on training e.t.c, I have seen a spar get heated before, but they quickly cooled down.....,

p.s, is it good to spar every day?

[MrGalt]

p.s, is it good to spar every day?

In Kyokushin? Oh, yeah. And twice on Sundays. Post back in ten years and let us know for sure though. You will probably need a speech recognition program though because I don't think the ol' hands will be up to pushing keys.

[hornyhobo]

Really good point....unless it can possible convert the bully to non-bully

I would point you towards bully beatdown on MTV, but apparently the whole thing is staged. Damn shame.