a chunner tries to start a fight with me. (aka. lack of alive training = insecurity )

[variance]

So this just happened about... oh... an hour ago.

Pretty much illustrates.. that arts that lack alive training/pressure testing/competition either

1. breed insecurity and the need to show off/prove themselves.

2. Attract the type who want to feel deadly/feel dominant without any of the hard work/humility required.

The story:

Alright.. so Im at the club. Enjoying myself a good buzz with my friends.
Feeling pretty laid back/relaxed.

Some guy comes out of nowhere, greets one of my friends with a lousy imitation of a thai clinch and some faux knees.

Im like oo someone else who trains. awesome!
I haven't been to the gym for awhile so I haven't gotten to talk MA with anyone for a spell.

so I go over and I'm like.. hey you train in thai boxing right?

and he looks at me like I just took a shit somewhere and he's smelling it.

"hell naw. I do wing chun dude. Bruce lee and Yip man fool"

and Im like really? i didnt know chun used knees or clinch that much. ( as far as I know. i thought it was mostly those weird kicks and chain punching.)

I expected him to explain or whatever but apparently he thought I was disrespecting him and he's all like dude don't fuck with me. I've trained for 15 years in wing chun.

and im like dude i wasn't trying to disrespect you or say I'm better than you. I've tried wing chun before as it was before my judo class. I just didnt know they used knees that much

then he pushes me hard and in response.. instead of slamming him with a hard osoto gari. I was actually calm and looked him in the eye and was like... dude? seriously? Im not trying to fight no one.

He came forward and tried to hit me and I stepped to the side.. and then my friends came in to intercede. I just kind of hung back. Didnt look at him because everytime I made eye contact with him, it seemed to make him want to fight. some of the girls came and they told me "he was a spaz and when he was drunk he actually tried to fight one of them (a girl) before"

I was just kind of in a state of.. not caring or disbelief. didn't feel threatened at all.. although I probably should have.

The whole concept of picking a fight over that was just.. ridiculous.. I was kind of absorbed into that until a girl caught my eye and I went to go talk to her and get shot down. :p


still, I even recognize his behaviour partially.. I used to spaz out sorta.. choking my friends when i saw them or whatever.. trying to show off.. etc. but that was when i first started training but that was back when i was 19. Before I competed. 15 years in only the chun.. yet still acting like a overly eager noob who just started.

I'd be kind of proud of myself for not losing my cool, if I could be sure that it wasn't the alcohol + add meds making me that laid back.

Anyway.
Douchebag MAers shouldn't pick a fight if they don't train alive or compete.
but if they did.. then they might not be douche's with something to prove.

[Lebell]

ah man, i know those types of guys.

i know this big fat ing-un guy who always says: we should definately spar, i teach you some moves i learned from Emin Boztepe personally.
ive always said sure and he has my phonenumber, yet he never calls me. :-(

the saddest guy i know is a self declared ultimate self defense master.
he's nerdy looking, late 40ies, his body language is insecure and goofy, and he boasts about his skills to try and impress girls.
like a giant martial harry potter.

i ve learned that people who -like that guy- greet other people with a clinch and knees are nobheads who want to be dominant, and you should never let them get away with it if they'd do it with you.

[Soulrebel]

Neat story, but i fail to see the connection between the _un and the assholeness. Lots of douches everywhere, certainly in bjj, mt and mma as well.

So props to you for not stepping up, but _un diss fail...

[variance]

Neat story, but i fail to see the connection between the _un and the assholeness. Lots of douches everywhere, certainly in bjj, mt and mma as well.

So props to you for not stepping up, but _un diss fail...

wasn't specifically directed towards chunners...
note the "aka, lack of alive training = insecurty"

It was more about discussing whether the "too deadly" arts
are fostering or simply attract those archetypes

and me venting
a relevant anecdote that just happened to involve a chunner. (who along with aikidoka tend to be at the forefront of the too deadly movement)

[Omega Supreme]

wasn't specifically directed towards chunners...
note the "aka, lack of alive training = insecurty"

It was more about discussing whether the "too deadly" arts
are fostering or simply attract those archetypes

and me venting
a relevant anecdote that just happened to involve a chunner. (who along with aikidoka tend to be at the forefront of the too deadly movement)

That's funny. That's the way I took it too. Maybe you did instigate that fight.

[Lebell]

what makes you think he was instigating it Omega?

[Omega Supreme]

Well take the two comparisons.

I feel like in his story he's trying to "equate wing chun with assholenes".

In Variances "anecdote" he states that he didn't do anything to disrespect the guy.

How do we know? We weren't there. I don't know what his tone was nor do I know how he questioned the guy.

If I compare the two circumstantial group of facts I find the story with a few holes.

[Lebell]

okay, i understand.
still it could be either way for the same reason as you said: we weren't there.

as far assholes/styles: personally ive met ma assholes from the following styles: bjj-1 mt-3 tkd-1 wing chun-4 krav mage/SD-2 aikido-4 jjj-circa 12.

so in my personal experience ing un isnt that relevant, ive had more laughable chats with jjj guys.

one of the most annoying chats i ever had was last summer, i was meeting up with a friend, and waiting for him.
we were going out for a cup of coffee and later on do some basic training, padwork etc.
so at the coffeeplace where i was waiting i saw a guy i know, a yoga teacher, really an amazing guy, he just got back from training with his teacher in hawaii.
so this scrawny kid sort off starts listening in.

the yoga guy and me have a little chat, like how's life and stuff, he tells me about the yoga and asks me how the jj is coming along.
i tell him i think its quite difficult but im sure eventually ill get there.
so then this scrawny kid opens his mouth, he says: could i just say something?
i said: rather not.
but the yoga guy is like supernice and he said sure.
the kid, 25 at most says: this and that about the yoga things are probably not correct, and then turns to me and said something like how he could help me with my jj problems since he was a green belt.

im like: LOLWUT?
by this time my friend joins us, this guy is a sanda instructor and competed many many times and is my regular sparring dude.
mean machine.

so i sort of nod at the kid and my friend knows whats up (we know eachother like 10 years or so) the kid notices nothing and keeps yapping about kote gaesi etc etc.
finally i had enough and tell him i do a different kind of jj.
i cant remember exactly what he then said but it pissed me off.
i asked him who his sensei was (i already had a hunch) and it turned out to be my old buddy.

i then asked him specifically if he stuck with his idea that he could ' teach me a trick or two' and he sort off smirked at me.
i then said i'd see him in class tomorrow at 8.30 unless they changed the timetable.
he's like: what.....?!
then i informed him of who i was withbackground and that i'd drop by at the school the next lesson to take my free lesson from an arrogant green belt.

i went in the next day but the coward didnt show up.

[Matt Phillips]

i then asked him specifically if he stuck with his idea that he could ' teach me a trick or two' and he sort off smirked at me.
i then said i'd see him in class tomorrow at 8.30 unless they changed the timetable.

It went down like this, right?
YouTube - now I show you some trick or two

[MrGalt]

i ve learned that people who -like that guy- greet other people with a clinch and knees are nobheads who want to be dominant, and you should never let them get away with it if they'd do it with you.

I fully agree with this, at least in principle. When I worked in the oil patch we had a Shell supervisor who used to do that shit at work. But you can't report the company man for fucking around on the job, and you can't just beat his ass, so there was nothing to be done about it. Then again, he had real dominance that he was just expressing.

So what's your solution for the typical nobhead who doesn't own you who wants to be dominant and uses fake fight bullshit scenarios on you? My vote is against trying to "win" them.

[Omega Supreme]

okay, i understand.
still it could be either way for the same reason as you said: we weren't there.

as far assholes/styles: personally ive met ma assholes from the following styles: bjj-1 mt-3 tkd-1 wing chun-4 krav mage/SD-2 aikido-4 jjj-circa 12.

so in my personal experience ing un isnt that relevant, ive had more laughable chats with jjj guys.

one of the most annoying chats i ever had was last summer, i was meeting up with a friend, and waiting for him.
we were going out for a cup of coffee and later on do some basic training, padwork etc.
so at the coffeeplace where i was waiting i saw a guy i know, a yoga teacher, really an amazing guy, he just got back from training with his teacher in hawaii.
so this scrawny kid sort off starts listening in.

the yoga guy and me have a little chat, like how's life and stuff, he tells me about the yoga and asks me how the jj is coming along.
i tell him i think its quite difficult but im sure eventually ill get there.
so then this scrawny kid opens his mouth, he says: could i just say something?
i said: rather not.
but the yoga guy is like supernice and he said sure.
the kid, 25 at most says: this and that about the yoga things are probably not correct, and then turns to me and said something like how he could help me with my jj problems since he was a green belt.

im like: LOLWUT?
by this time my friend joins us, this guy is a sanda instructor and competed many many times and is my regular sparring dude.
mean machine.

so i sort of nod at the kid and my friend knows whats up (we know eachother like 10 years or so) the kid notices nothing and keeps yapping about kote gaesi etc etc.
finally i had enough and tell him i do a different kind of jj.
i cant remember exactly what he then said but it pissed me off.
i asked him who his sensei was (i already had a hunch) and it turned out to be my old buddy.

i then asked him specifically if he stuck with his idea that he could ' teach me a trick or two' and he sort off smirked at me.
i then said i'd see him in class tomorrow at 8.30 unless they changed the timetable.
he's like: what.....?!
then i informed him of who i was withbackground and that i'd drop by at the school the next lesson to take my free lesson from an arrogant green belt.

i went in the next day but the coward didnt show up.

First of all did I actually say he instigated it? No. I simply said maybe he did. Something to think about in meditation.

[Lebell]

First of all did I actually say he instigated it? No. I simply said maybe he did. Something to think about in meditation.

hahaha.
MAYBE i misunderstood you. :-p

oh and i dont meditate, is that bad?

[Rancid Pantaloons]

Dr phil talked about that people that bullies other or show aggressive behavior has very often been picked on alot. maybe the chunner have gotten alot of butthurt for doing the chunn, maybe he has even posted her?

I feel sorry for the guy. He has trained for 15 years without aliveness and now younger guys that have trained for 1-2 years or something is taunting his fighting skills.
This sort of things tent to leave a big gaping hole where people's confident is supposed to be.

[EdgeWalker]

there's a korean saying:
It takes two hands to clap.

Although I doubt that you intentionally pissed him off, it still could be your fault.

wrong eye contact, wrong selection of vocabulary, wrong tone of voice, any little thing can start a fight when a person's drunk.

[Ronin.74]

I think you went about things the wrong way, provided you did not in some way instigate this. If things occurred as you say they did then you probably should have slammed his ass and beat the living shit out of him.

Afterwards he would have realized the deficiencies in his training and he would probably show up in your Judo class next week to take lessons.