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    How many of you understand what is legal and is not?

    For the sake of entertainment, how many of you really understand when you are doing something illegal and when you are not, and what are the legal ramifications for your actions? Is it appropriate to paralyze a drunk in a bar for grabbing your gf's ass? Can you carry your nunchuks under your seat, or even have them at all? Can you defend others, even if you are mistaken in your belief they are the defenders? Do you know what the law is in your state, or even that it is different from state to state? Do you have to register yourself as a deadly weapon? Do you face stiffer charges because of your training?

    Recent thread developments have led me to this discussion. I await my "pink bellly".


    "You don't know shit about shit. Shut the fuck up."- Derauslander
    "We often joke -- and we really wish it were a joke -- that you will only encounter two basic problems with your 'self-defense' training.
    1) That it doesn't work
    2) That it does work"
    -Animal MacYoung

    #2
    This sounds like an interesting discussion. Are you an attorney?

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      #3
      yes. But I would like to know what you guys know, or think you know. I was surprised the other day when my ATA instructor knew exactly what the law was on a certain subject, while the ex-cop kempo teacher I knew was totally wrong.
      "We often joke -- and we really wish it were a joke -- that you will only encounter two basic problems with your 'self-defense' training.
      1) That it doesn't work
      2) That it does work"
      -Animal MacYoung

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        #4
        This should be interesting.

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          #5
          I am pretty sure I understand it, even here in California.

          "If anything is gained from this, it should be you both wanting to get better so you can make up for how crappy you are now." KidSpatula about the Sirc vs DTT Gong Sau Event
          Until the Bulltube is fixed:
          DTT vs Sirc

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            #6
            Originally posted by Dr._Tzun_Tzu View Post
            I am pretty sure I understand it, even here in California.
            Care to elaborate?
            "We often joke -- and we really wish it were a joke -- that you will only encounter two basic problems with your 'self-defense' training.
            1) That it doesn't work
            2) That it does work"
            -Animal MacYoung

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              #7
              Over 16 is legal, but is it ethical?

              Man, this law stuff is hard.

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                #8
                It varies from country to country and state to state..
                I think the rule of thumb is that you are allowed to defend with the same level of force as you are being attacked with.

                edit: about the pink belly thing.. that is just sick. I am not touching that.

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                  #9
                  Since this is in YMAS.

                  DOG PILE ON CRAPPLER AND GIVE HIM A PINK BELLY!

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                    #10
                    Originally posted by crappler View Post
                    For the sake of entertainment, how many of you really understand when you are doing something illegal and when you are not, and what are the legal ramifications for your actions? Is it appropriate to paralyze a drunk in a bar for grabbing your gf's ass? Can you carry your nunchuks under your seat, or even have them at all? Can you defend others, even if you are mistaken in your belief they are the defenders? Do you know what the law is in your state, or even that it is different from state to state? Do you have to register yourself as a deadly weapon? Do you face stiffer charges because of your training?

                    Recent thread developments have led me to this discussion. I await my "pink bellly".


                    "You don't know shit about shit. Shut the fuck up."- Derauslander
                    It is not appropriate to paralyze the drunk in the bar who grabs your gf's ass... you don't need to be a lawyer to know that this would be assault... maybe attempted murder.

                    Registering yourself as a deadly weapon is BS of the highest order. Just about anything can be a deadly weapon if it is used with intent to kill.

                    I have never heard of martial artists suffering stiffer charges from training in criminal court, but maybe in civil court. A good attorney might argue that the martial artist should have had the control to diffuse the situation without maiming someone. I don't know how this would fly, though.

                    I'm not sure on the defending others question. I suppose that would depend on the circumstances... i.e. I doubt I would get into trouble for using force to stop a rape or attempted murder in progress. However I could face assault charges if I stuck my nose into a dispute where it didn't belong and hurt someone.

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                      #11
                      I know some states use language in their statutes regarding self defense that require the defender to "flee until flight is no longer possible" before any defense is permitted. Nevada is not one of those states, thankfully.

                      So, in other words, if someone swings at you and you CAN walk away, if you chose not to do so, you could be charged with assault. I don't know how strictly those statutes are enforced, though.

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                        #12
                        I think someone mentioned in the other thread how he turned away a random little girl's request for a push on the swing. Were there events that led to people taking legal shit because of this? Cause that'd be pretty low.

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                          #13
                          Originally posted by Lu Tze View Post
                          Over 16 is legal, but is it ethical?

                          Man, this law stuff is hard.
                          13 in Mexico, dude...I think...don't quote me on that one...
                          "We often joke -- and we really wish it were a joke -- that you will only encounter two basic problems with your 'self-defense' training.
                          1) That it doesn't work
                          2) That it does work"
                          -Animal MacYoung

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                            #14
                            Originally posted by crappler View Post
                            Care to elaborate?
                            oh, I didn't know I needed to write out legal code here. With out spoiling it for every other poster, I understand about escalation, i.e you cann't hit a person with a bottle because they pushed you and if you can get away safely then you can not legal engage in a fight and claim self defense. If you want to come to some else's aid, and it is not your job, you need to effect a citizens arrest (which I would have to review again). Once threat is neutralized you have to stop, and this is were many people get in trouble.

                            I did read that pink belly thread, and cracked up when a poster told him to report himself to the police, it was well put and exactly how I felt, to many red flags.

                            Not sure what you really want here, I mean I also know how to give a person right of way in a crosswalk and that 16 is legal if you have a permission slip from one parent, though if you 9 years over age its all a felony.....so maybe some specific situations might be helpful to direct comments to?
                            Last edited by Dr._Tzun_Tzu; 5/21/2009 4:57pm, . Reason: left important n't off of cann't...

                            "If anything is gained from this, it should be you both wanting to get better so you can make up for how crappy you are now." KidSpatula about the Sirc vs DTT Gong Sau Event
                            Until the Bulltube is fixed:
                            DTT vs Sirc

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                              #15
                              Originally posted by leyon View Post
                              I think someone mentioned in the other thread how he turned away a random little girl's request for a push on the swing. Were there events that led to people taking legal shit because of this? Cause that'd be pretty low.
                              I doubt there was any legal precedent precluding Frank White from pushing a strange child on a swing, it is just common sense or removing oneself from any air of impropriety.
                              He didn't know the child (supposedly)
                              The parents were not present (or not stated as such)
                              He had no reasonable expectation to the well-being, care and safety of the child.

                              Most parents, if seeing a stranger pushing their child on the swing would likely be concerned as to who this person is, even if this person has the best and most honorable of intent.

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