SECRET CIA MARTIAL ARTS

[daddywalrus]

I live in Adelaide, Australia and my friend has claimed he is now being trained by someone who has learned a secret central intelligence agency martial art. He pays $150 AU a month to go this guy and aparently all they have learnt so far is knife defence. They do not warm up at all during the lesson either.

Not only is this suspicious enough, he had to sign a contract that made him keep the entire thing a secret!


I learn BJJ at the Brazilian Top Team base in Adelaide and i have questioned him about the entire thing. Because of this he asked his trainer about BJJ....and the guy claims he 'knows it' and that he will train him in BJJ...

I know some of the guys at BTT train Krav Maga at another school but i doubt they claim its a 'secret art' of the CIA.

I think this is a classic case of Bullshido and that ill prove it to him when he rolls with me and i will explain that he was not taught BJJ at all (I suspect he will be taught an armbar/triangle/guillotine and not anything else)


But before I go all out on trying to disprove this secret CIA martial art is tehre by any slim slim slim slight possibility that he is not bullshiting and that he is teaching something 'secret'?...in Adelaide (which i might add is at the bottom of Australia)

His training sounds similar to combatives/Krav Maga....but i doubt its either....

[Carpe Noctem]

There is no "secret" CIA martial art.

[Sam Browning]

CIA training for its case officers is roughly 6 months long. In the early 2000s they spent half of one week on hand to hand combat instruction for their trainees. They spent far more time studying more useful topics like detecting and avoiding surveillance by hostile intelligence agencies. Get a copy of Lindsay Moran's book "Blowing My Cover, My Life as A CIA Spy" (putnam, 2005)

Alternatively you could ask the teacher to prove he ever worked out out a US embassy under state department cover. (The vast majority of the CIA's case officers spend at least some time assigned to embassies pretending to be such employees)

[daddywalrus]

Thanks for the info guys...I think this guy is an Aussie and i doubt he has ever been to America to train with the "CIA" so i would not know.

I will get my friend to ask him who taught him BJJ and were did he train at because BJJ instructors are usually pretty easy to verify in terms of them being legit.

Im just pissed off his wasteing his at this place...he found out about it when some random drunk guy came up to him and told him about it one night....

[electron jockey]

There is no "secret" CIA martial art.

He's obviously one of them. His denials only serve to further prove the existance of this secret CIA martial art. THE TRUTH IS OUT THERE, PEOPLE.

[theotherserge]

"the first rule of CIA secret-fight club, is YOU DO NOT TALK ABOUT CIA secret-fight club"

"the second rule of CIA secret-fight club, is YOU DO NOT TALK ABOUT CIA secret-fight club"

"the third rule of CIA secret-fight club, is YOU DO NOT TALK ABOUT CIA secret-fight club"

[Cassius]

Your friend is either a liar, or being played. Those are the only two options. Trust me on this.

[GoldenJonas]

Can you be any more specific?, i.e., the instructors name, does he give a trial class?

Regardless, go to a class with or without your friend and get us some more information about the guy.

Name
Address of School
Details of any Cert/Degrees/Diplomas/Recognition Docs hanging on the school walls.

Ask him where ad in what capacity he learned his MA system. 99.9% of the time the best way to get to the bottom of these types of things is to simply go to the school, observe, train, ask questions (but don't go overboard or be confrontational) and come back here with your findings.

Good luck....Oh yeah, and listen to Cassius.

[daddywalrus]

Can you be any more specific?, i.e., the instructors name, does he give a trial class?

Regardless, go to a class with or without your friend and get us some more information about the guy.

Name
Address of School
Details of any Cert/Degrees/Diplomas/Recognition Docs hanging on the school walls.

Ask him where ad in what capacity he learned his MA system. 99.9% of the time the best way to get to the bottom of these types of things is to simply go to the school, observe, train, ask questions (but don't go overboard or be confrontational) and come back here with your findings.

Good luck....Oh yeah, and listen to Cassius.

Cheers mate ill try and look more into it. I wouldnt mind going with some other BJJ guys to see what exactly this guy does but i suspect ill have to sign a form just to observe his secret deadly art. I could even film some if it as well.

The guy holds lessons three times a week and all my friend has learnt is knife denfence so far....and i think his going to go out of his way to teach my friend some BJJ....

This may turn out to be interesting and thanks for the advice :D

[hungryjoe]

Tell your friend the authorities will be contacting him shortly.

The purveyor of this knowledge is in deep and mighty trouble.

:evil6:

[GoldenJonas]

No problem daddy. I see that you are pretty new here. Here are links to two investigations I have done where I went to the school and confronted the instructor.

http://www.bullshido.net/forums/show...ht=Jimmy+Lyons

http://www.bullshido.net/forums/show...ris+Valkenburg

Not that these are the blueprint for these types of investigations but they may give you some ideas for how to approach it.

Good luck.

GJ

[Dsimon3387]

I live in Adelaide, Australia and my friend has claimed he is now being trained by someone who has learned a secret central intelligence agency martial art. He pays $150 AU a month to go this guy and aparently all they have learnt so far is knife defence. They do not warm up at all during the lesson either.

Not only is this suspicious enough, he had to sign a contract that made him keep the entire thing a secret!


I learn BJJ at the Brazilian Top Team base in Adelaide and i have questioned him about the entire thing. Because of this he asked his trainer about BJJ....and the guy claims he 'knows it' and that he will train him in BJJ...

I know some of the guys at BTT train Krav Maga at another school but i doubt they claim its a 'secret art' of the CIA.

I think this is a classic case of Bullshido and that ill prove it to him when he rolls with me and i will explain that he was not taught BJJ at all (I suspect he will be taught an armbar/triangle/guillotine and not anything else)


But before I go all out on trying to disprove this secret CIA martial art is tehre by any slim slim slim slight possibility that he is not bullshiting and that he is teaching something 'secret'?...in Adelaide (which i might add is at the bottom of Australia)

His training sounds similar to combatives/Krav Maga....but i doubt its either....

why as a matter of fact it is a good thing you asked! Yes there is and the rub is nobody is allowed to practice it, talk about it, or intimate its existance (notice I said IT). When I learned it we just had a secret handshake where we would take the two front fingers stick them in our rear and put em under the other guy's nose. If the guy smelled the appropriate smell we were training brothers! Of course we could not talk about it or practice it but we knew...at that point we KNEW!!!

What do you think? Aussies are generally smart level headed mates with a big BS detector me thinks! TEll me when you read your post wich started this thread what would be your impression? Do you think your friend is training in an art sponsored by an American agency (In Australia no less) that your friend just happened upon?

[Carpe Noctem]

He's obviously one of them. His denials only serve to further prove the existance of this secret CIA martial art. THE TRUTH IS OUT THERE, PEOPLE.

Someone will be with you shortly. Please ignore the black helicopters overhead.

[daddywalrus]

No problem daddy. I see that you are pretty new here. Here are links to two investigations I have done where I went to the school and confronted the instructor.

http://www.bullshido.net/forums/show...ht=Jimmy+Lyons

http://www.bullshido.net/forums/show...ris+Valkenburg

Not that these are the blueprint for these types of investigations but they may give you some ideas for how to approach it.

Good luck.

GJ

Cheers man ill be sure to reply with my findings :D

[Sam Browning]

If he's aussie, he would have never risen above being an agent as verses a paramilitary or case officer. The agency would not have wasted its time doing hand to hand training with him.

I bet its really shitty, knock off world war two combatives. The system taught to the U.S. Office of Strategic Services was basically the same used by the British Commandos and is widely known today.