Wing Chun vs other MA's fitness standards

[SoylentNinja]

I think they should get all the 'real' chunners together in one pit. Feed them endless amounts of beer and PcP and video tape the results.
At least it would fill out the showing up to real fight requirement.

[Kambei Shimada]

I know I'm doing the right kind, and we pressure test our shit with hard live sparring.

Proof or it did'nt happen.

[ADM]

I'll hold my criticism until I see some vids, because homeo might actually be telling the truth here, I do recall a Chunner saying the same thing (I know we've heard it a billion times) but actually then showing his sparring videos and then having someone from here even go and check it out.

So ... vids?

[Sang]

I know Jack about Win Chun, but it seems to me most of the photos I've seen of Chinese MArtists are either extremely fit guys breaking things on each other or elderly gentlemen that weighed about 90 pounds. And some Buddhas with huge guts. In any case I wouldn't assume a correlation between appearence and ability. That's an American attitude.

LOL, really?

Every photo i see looks a bit like this:

And to be fair these guys are bigger than the 40 people who train at my university's Kung Fu School. I used to get a good laugh watching them right before my judo lesson.

If you took a sample population from wing chun and muay thai you'd find that the muay thai guys and girls outweigh the wing chun population while also having a massively smaller body fat percentage. I'm not even going to go into what would happen if you let them fight.

[Kambei Shimada]

LOL, really?

Every photo i see looks a bit like this:

And to be fair these guys are bigger than the 40 people who train at my university's Kung Fu School. I used to get a good laugh watching them right before my judo lesson.

If you took a sample population from wing chun and muay thai you'd find that the muay thai guys and girls outweigh the wing chun population while also having a massively smaller body fat percentage. I'm not even going to go into what would happen if you let them fight.

Agreed, there was only 3 or 4 guys from my old _ing _un gym (from a class of 30-40) fit enough to even make it through an entire MMA class at my current gym.

Wing Chun generally seems to attract skinny guys who want to learn how to fight but dont want to have to get punched in the face or work too hard.

[Asriel]

Wing Chun generally seems to attract skinny guys who want to learn how to fight but dont want to have to get punched in the face or work too hard.

QFT!

The only conditioning I ever got out of the chun was from things like circuit training that was done in the class. The forms, Chi Sau and even the sparring hardly even broke a sweat.

[Sang]

Its not even like MT only attracts muscle bound gym junkies either, we had two guys over 6 foot and under 140 pounds join six months ago and they've both filled out 5 or so kilos just from the pad work and bodyweight exercises. When i joined muay thai a couple of years back i was 6"2 152 pounds and now i'm 167 lbs and have a smaller bodyfat %.

Just so i don't get beaten up by certain members, there are obviously Kung Fu schools out there who's members don't look like above pic. Co-incidentally their training methods are closer to that of MT than Wing Chun..

[ignatzami]

While my Wing Chun school is hardly a model for anything they did require a greater physical fitness requirement. Not anything terrible but enough that I transitioned to BJJ with little cardiac woes.

However, I took a few classes with a Hung Gar school that was BRUTAL, the strength training and conditioning was unreal, and they fought. Not often, but the sparred in class and would compete.

The two schools felt like night and day.

If a Chunner wants respect it's not about the look, or the muscles, it's about going out and proving beyond a shadow of a doubt that your shit works. Go to a Lei Tei and fight, and then, instead of your lineage, present your fight record. What Yip Sum Man Ching Dong did 600 years ago does not matter!!! What you do does!

I respect a Judo player who can toss me around like a rag doll. When I roll with a BJJ guy, or a wrestler I'll respect him when he can tie me up in knots and I have to go 100% defensive just to keep from getting pinned or subbed. I respect a striker when he can hit, hard, and has the fights, or the sparring sessions, to prove it.

You want people to respect your Chun? Then go out and do something with it worthy of respect.

[sasquatch989]

QFT!

The only conditioning I ever got out of the chun was from things like circuit training that was done in the class. The forms, Chi Sau and even the sparring hardly even broke a sweat.

I bet if you were a 36 yr old sedentary office worker you wouldn't say that

[ignatzami]

I bet if you were a 36 yr old sedentary office worker you wouldn't say that

I'm a 24yr old sedentary programmer, and the Chun still barely made me sweat. Unless it was a 90 degree day... then I sweated plenty.

BJJ on the other hand.... I'd wring the sweat out of my gi.

[Tonuzaba]

To the OP:

I doubt anybody's greatest problem with most chunners would be their physical appearence.

The funnier the body, the more striking would it be if said chunner would prove combat efficiency against a resisting, skilled opponent.

About training/fitness levels:
your basic wing chun (WingTsun, in my case) training doesn't come close to the basic BJJ training - BJJ warmup alone is sometimes more demanding than an easier WT session.

It is not possible to go through a BJJ training without sweating a bucket. It is possible to go through wing chun trainings with little to no sweat - depends on the instructor.

Admittedly, back in my days we used to have pretty intense WT seminars as well as regular weekend trainings for instructors, which were really punishing.

[sasquatch989]

I'm a 24yr old sedentary programmer, and the Chun still barely made me sweat. Unless it was a 90 degree day... then I sweated plenty.

BJJ on the other hand.... I'd wring the sweat out of my gi.

There's a huge diff between 24 and 36. I'm almost 30 and i can feel the difference from 24.

BJJ is def a better workout, just from the perspective of the unfit a little wing stun wiggle can get you tuckered.

[ignatzami]

There's a huge diff between 24 and 36. I'm almost 30 and i can feel the difference from 24.

BJJ is def a better workout, just from the perspective of the unfit a little wing stun wiggle can get you tuckered.

True, but it was a huge shock to me just how much harder BJJ was. The soreness alone, the whole body ache that develops after a good BJJ class is unlike anything I've felt since. Judo comes close, but it's still not the whole body tired I got from BJJ.

[Rivington]

No one even ventured to meet my first argument.

What part of




don't you understand?


Not overly ripped for no reason, not a fat blob of shit.

[tao.jonez]

WC?

An ideal martial artist's physique should be the physique that is standing over his unconscious opponent.

I've never seen a wing-chun artist with that particular physique.