ATA taekwondo in MMA

[Lu Tze]

It's ridiculously low percentage move that only one human being has ever used successfully in a professional match. And he broke his opponent's goddamn arm with it.
It's like seperating someone's ribs with a spearhand, or some similarly esoteric traditional technique; shit like that seems like it shouldn't happen in the real world.

What the fuck are you talking about? The opportunities to pull off waki gatame are rare in an MMA match, but that's because it's an MMA match. A (standing) waki gatame is a solid technique if used appropriately, a fight ender.

Fuck me, I'm usually the first to jump in feet first when someone tries to bring up the sport vs street dichotomy as an excuse for bullshit training, but there's such a thing as taking it too far.

[hoodedmonk]

whatever man..its a seminar not a lifetime of training....you can learn some chokes and stuff in a couple hours.....then practice it with people....after a seminar you will know "some" jui-jitsu

you guys seem to be extremists..anyways, my point has been said.

Have a good day and keep the hate alive. :)

jason123 personally I don't see anything wrong with going to seminars and trying to learn some ground techniques. Understand though that if you are going to focus on mma there are easier and more effective ways to do it. Going to a few seminars will not prepare you or make you an effective mma competitor. If you like your tkd school and you just want to add a few techniques to your arsenal good for you! If your real goal is to prove to the world that that the ATA can make you the next ufc world champ, your gonna be in for some hard times. And if by some chance! 10 yrs from now we see you on tv with the belt around your waist, I will lay a bet down now, that by watching you compete, I wont be able to tell you apart from any other mma fighter that has been sucessful, outside of maybe a few flashy moves with a low % sucess rate. Cung Le and Lyoto Machida are two sucessful mma fighters who have tma backgrounds, and they didn't learn there grappling from a couple of seminars. One is a high ranking bjj'er and the other was a good wrestler. Anyway I hope you stick around for awhile, because I would be interested to see how your opinion varies in a couple of yrs.

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waki gatame is a fine technique if you can get their elbow extended and their upper body turned. Once its clamped down its really hard to get out of. I can usually get someone with a few of them, then they become wise to them and start countering by squaring up and/or bending their elbow and/or grabbing their arm with their other arm. If you can get them to the ground with it and drag it out so their other arm isn't underneath them its almost impossible to get out of.

[ChickenBeakFist]

YouTube - Waki Gatame

[MrGalt]

M.C. - How the hell didn't you get a BB in TKD after 5 years? I feel like something is missing from this story since TKD is mostly notorious for handing out black belts like condoms at the school nurse's office.

[Omega Supreme]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xsK7ALN1RgM

MMAers and BJJers please comment.

Yeah the the techniques sucked. Anything else you want?

[hoodedmonk]

Yeah the the techniques sucked. Anything else you want?

Hey easy! I'm sure those sucky techniques werent cheap! ;)

[M.C.]

M.C. - How the hell didn't you get a BB in TKD after 5 years? I feel like something is missing from this story since TKD is mostly notorious for handing out black belts like condoms at the school nurse's office.

Well first of all in Germany it takes about 4-7 years (deppending on how good you are) to get your BB in TKD. And I was on my way to make it exactly the 4 years (I had taken the triple belt test since I had some MA background before TKD and due to that I had the chance to make it in "a few days" under 4 years while still meeting the half year waiting period between belts.)
When I at one point had a belt test and I thought one guy did not deserve the rank he was having and he also made the next belt. That was when I started to doubt the belt ranking system. I ask myself if I was training for the belt or to learn TKD/fight.
That was the day I decided to stop taking belt test at all MAs. About 2 months later one of the BBs (re)introduced me to the ground game and mentioned BJJ. The same guy already showed me the beauty of MT and later introduced me to Bullshido(I never asked what his user name was here), the rest is history.
I havn't had a belt test since 14th July 2006 (only hold official rank in Judo,AK and TKD) I kept competing though. I havn't put on a coloured belt in years. I kept going to training with my white belt.
I guess the only coloured belt you will see on me is when I, one day, get a a blue in BJJ or somebody awards me a rank without me asking for it.

[Mtripp]

It's ridiculously low percentage move that only one human being has ever used successfully in a professional match. And he broke his opponent's goddamn arm with it.
It's like seperating someone's ribs with a spearhand, or some similarly esoteric traditional technique; shit like that seems like it shouldn't happen in the real world.

Actually lots of people got broken arms with it in Judo, until they banned it.

I submit most people do not know how to put it on correctly. Ask Moose about the Sushi bar experience of yesterday.

I have used it often, and it is much easier to get than wristlocks.

[It is Fake]

Yeah the the techniques sucked. Anything else you want?

A Lexus.

[Emevas]

I trained at an ATA TKD place for damn near 8 years, from age 9 to 17. There were at least 2 instructors there that, even looking back on what I know now of fighting, were legimiately badass and I'm sure would handle themselves just fine in a fight. One specifically had a background in Muay Thai, and would go to any grappling seminar he could and come back and show us what he learned. However, I did not become a badass by association with them, and a lot of the stuff I learned wasn't very useful when I started training Muay Thai or Boxing.

You can train ATA and be a good fighter, but generally not because you trained ATA.

[3moose1]

Actually lots of people got broken arms with it in Judo, until they banned it.

I submit most people do not know how to put it on correctly. Ask Moose about the Sushi bar experience of yesterday.

I have used it often, and it is much easier to get than wristlocks.

Word.

Oh McClaw, Waki Gatame is not low percentage.

See, i thought it was. I thought, "oh wow, thats a silly gimmicky type move...Surely it'd never work"

Out to sushi, with my Uncle, mom and Dad and what not, i ask my Uncle, "Hey, whats the deal with Waki Gatame? It doesn't seem very secure at all"

Can you guess what happened next? I got Waki motherfucking Gatame'd, and let me tell you, there was no escape. None. At. All.

Apparently you have to clamp your elbow, hell if i know, it just hurt.

[hoodedmonk]

A Lexus.

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