The Original Anti-Grapple?

[Petter]

Honestly, its not a bad read. The shotokan and tkd guy, and to some extent, the _ing _un guy are pretty much saying if they got to the ground, they'd be fucked, and its the fighter, not teh style who wins.

The karate guy, Tom Muzila, also seemed to have the good sense to suggest that you'd actually have to practice against grappling techniques, and that he's "sure that even some of the Gracies' basic guys could very easily take out a Shotokan guy who is untrained on the ground".

This guy, Muzila, is one of the old hardasses of SKA, known for some pretty extreme practice sessions. (I expect a fair amount of truth, through those links, though heaven knows if it's all true.) I've never met the man in question, though back when I practiced karate, all the senior blackbelts knew him. It's kind of consoling, somehow, to hear that there's some common sense in my karate lineage, too...

[DKJr]

Lol the sad thing is people still agree with these articles.

[maofas]

This guy, Muzila, is one of the old hardasses of SKA, known for some pretty extreme practice sessions.

Well if we're going to be serious, He Il Cho is pretty awesome. IIRC he boxed competitively in Korea, adding it to his brand of TKD, and still teaches a (seperate) full contact class. (That photo is still funny stuff though. Chances are, he demoed like 5 things and they picked w/e looked the flashiest.)

[Gezere]

Lol, except to anyone who knows jack shit about Japanese, its spelled ju jutsu. the jIu jItsu was added because people suck at translating.

WRONG!

[Lebell]

Lol the sad thing is people still agree with these articles.

quoted for truth.
not too long ago i was talking to some guy, he was telling about how he practised ving tsun with emin boztepe and kernspecht when he lived in germany.
he even had some videos on his I-pod which he showed me.
he's like, with this glitter in his eye: look at how devastating and fast those guys are!
look, emin can even move from the ground: he shows me a video where emin is on his back and does a traditional jj ankle-knee take down on a compliant minion.

im trying: yeah but now they are both on the ground, he can still fight right?
he: no man, he's so good he'll probably break his knee with that kick.
me: its not a kick its more of a push and hook actually.
then i decided to just let him talk and heared some very interesting stuff.

i noticed that he used a lot of assumptions, saying things like: he PROBABLY can knock someone out in 5 secs, or JUST IMAGINE the power of etc.
he showed me more chi sao material, basic flailing arms etc.
then he told me how he paid a lot of money to have private lessons with those guys.
125 marks for 45 minutes.
if any german bully reads this: thats about 80 euros nowadays right?
fucking ridiculous.
i told the guy that and he says: yeah but did i tell you they have to pay the rent to spend their seminars in a big ass chateau near Heidelberg?

me: well, fuck the chateau and go train in a local gym, that should bring down the costs considerably.
he: uhm yeah but you don't have the same atmosphere.

wtf people.

unbelievable that people still fall for this stuff.

that guy who was telling me was really nice, but strook me as the average nervous guy who sees danger behind every corner and wats to have the effective and deadly arts for his to command.
i call them the 'zomg a black guy, im going to get robbed!!'guy.

[3moose1]

WRONG!

Most likely. I'm paraphrasing from someone else.

[Cdnronin]

Most likely. I'm paraphrasing from someone else.

And THEY were wrong too!:toothy10:

[TheMarquis]

However, i hate how everyone is a stylist.

For the record - I'm not a stylist (most say - I have no style).

I do study and practice Jujitsu (also getting some training/sparing sessions in the new year with a few freinds who have studied various disciplines - if all goes to plan) but I'm open mindied enough to accept that all MA systems and techniques have flaws....

It is only experience that helps us realise what these flaws are and individual's wish to try and get these flaws resolved that helps us progress in the world of MA...

Sorry if that sounds like I'm preaching to the choir a bit - but it's a path that I'm still finding my way on and hopefully (at last!) this ideology will get me to question more and strive for more satisfying answers (hence my membership on this site)....

Seeing the old BB mags has reminded me of the days when I got all stary eyed about all MA, that I thought it was all great and by following some patchy photographic sequence... you TOO could become T3H D34DL3Y.

I'm glad that I 've learned since that this is not the case - but I do so wish that some of the lessons were not so dammed painful! :icon_cry:

[Hiro Protagonist]

125 marks for 45 minutes.
if any german bully reads this: thats about 80 euros nowadays right?
fucking ridiculous.

That'd be me. :-)

Yeah, with inflation, it's just right about 80 bucks.

me: well, fuck the chateau and go train in a local gym, that should bring down the costs considerably.
he: uhm yeah but you don't have the same atmosphere.

wtf people.

unbelievable that people still fall for this stuff.

LARPing is high among them weekend warriors... At least they can tell: "I went to that faery tale castle and trained with the gran-grand-grand master". I can just tell: "It's Wednesday, and I go lifting".

[BENXPX]

It's funny that George Dillman was the only one saying that people should train in grappling though. As opposed to the Shotokan guy reverse punching the dude in the head and the TKD spinning back kick to the knee. I imagine that would go over well with a good wrestler. Even better is the _ing _un guy's suggestion to bite your opponent. Years and years of training and that's the best you can come up with?

[Lebell]

LARPing is high among them weekend warriors... At least they can tell: "I went to that faery tale castle and trained with the gran-grand-grand master". I can just tell: "It's Wednesday, and I go lifting".

It's wednesday and i MUST say, i have to do teh bjj in a non heated school with old mats, and its close to freezing point outside.
teh blue belts have made it a point that i should take the road to my stripes so i have to go, can't be slacking around.

stupid belts and stripes, is it so bad i simply dont care about that stuff?

im going to lose at least 1 toe to the frost.

[PointyShinyBurn]

It's wednesday and i MUST say, i have to do teh bjj in a non heated school with old mats, and its close to freezing point outside.

Ha, snap! I've been kidding myself it must be character building...

[Gezere]

Most likely. I'm paraphrasing from someone else.

They got it wrong too.

There has never been one system used, even now. JIU is actaually closer to the way the kanji is pronounced than JU. The JU is simplier but if you hear a naive speaker say it and listen closely it sound more like JEEYU then JEW.

[Hiro Protagonist]

It's wednesday and i MUST say, i have to do teh bjj in a non heated school with old mats, and its close to freezing point outside.
teh blue belts have made it a point that i should take the road to my stripes so i have to go, can't be slacking around.

stupid belts and stripes, is it so bad i simply dont care about that stuff?

im going to lose at least 1 toe to the frost.

[Lebell]

Ha, snap! I've been kidding myself it must be character building...

in the special forces 'character building' has a limited time, thats for a reason.
there is a point where character building turns into unhealthy training envirenoment.
i won't die from it, but assoon as the warm up is over you feel your toes freezing up, i shit you not.
everyone has it.