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    Boabom Investigation starts here!

    This is rediculous there hasn't been an investigation into this bullshit art so I am going to do one. Please help.


    I came across the art on Craigs List two or three weeks ago. The art stinks of bullshit. On a scale of 1 - 10 where BJJ is 1 and Yellow Bamboo style is 10, Boabom is 15 at least.







    Boabom

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    Boabom is a system of moving meditation, active relaxation, and self-defense [1]. Its teachers stress that, while the movements learned in the art could effectively be used in a combat situation, the central aim of the practice is to heighten bodily awareness and help the student attain an optimal state of health, energy, and vitality [1]
    The roots of the Art in which Boabom is based upon are identified with an ancient tradition originated in the pre-buddhist Tibet [1]. Despite the fact that Tibet is not famous for its martial arts but is more associated with Buddhism, this country has a long story in these type of teachings, including systems such as Dob-dob [2] and Khamba wrestling systems. Some authors acknowledge the influence of these Tibetan Arts on Chinese martial arts [3] and in yoga [4]
    This teaching is also described as a science of physical and mental development, a technique of self-medicine through movement, relaxation, meditation, and various forms of physical and psychological self-defense[5].
    There are several specific aspects of Boabom that make it different from most other systems of currently popular exercise. First is Boabom's progressive teaching method, forming a chain of increasing complexity movements that the student is able to master one step at a time. There is neither an excessive repetition leading to boredom nor an advance that is too quick or complicated for all of the students to understand, and there is no contact whatsoever in the classes. The Boabom school follows a philosophy of doing no harm to the body; this requires no contact. As well, contact creates fear, whereas the objective is the increased self-confidence and self-security of each and every student. Finally, there is no competition or hierarchy in Boabom, and in fact the class is designed to encourage the exact opposite: an enjoyable, pleasant, fun place to learn how to move your body and focus your mind.

    Practices

    Boabom is a general name for a teaching comprising three distinct arts or branches:
    • Boabom or Osseous Boabom is a system of quick movements focused on speed and agility. It is often called the 'Art of Self-Medicine through Self-Defense'[1]. This branch is dedicated to the study and practice of movements that develop fast reactions, agility, self-control, balance, speed, precise reflexes, spontaneity, breathing, concentration. Also, the teaching differs from other systems for its movements are taught in a progressive way, resembling a chain in which each new movement learned is linked to the previous one.
    • Seamm-Jasani or Gentle Boabom is a slower, calmer system that consists of slow and fluid exercises that improve coordination and balance, and help to build an equilibrium between body and mind through various techniques of breathing and movement [6].
    • Yaanbao is a Boabom practice involving the use of implements. In this Art one studies the perfection of the movement, its solidity, while using different types of sticks (which differ both in length and in shape) as an extension of the body [7].





    From Boston Boabom website. Highlighted claims mine.

    THE ROOTS


    Boabom is an Art designed to develop Vitality and Internal Energy: the Body and the Mind, together in Meditation through Movements of Balance, Defense, Self-Healing, and Relaxation. Boabom provides quick relief from stress and improves the student's focus, confidence, and both physical condition and mental well-being.


    The roots of the Arts of Boabom are lost in time, though we can identify their origins in Bod, Peuyul, or ancient Tibet, a very peculiar region of the Himalayas, thousands of years ago--before the beginning of our Yuga. Yet these teachings prefer no specific country or race of origin, belonging instead to a way of life, a current of thought passed down through the millennia.


    The teachings of the School say that their Arts were not meant for everyone. It was not intended that they would be widely dispersed, instead they were to be treated more like a family heirloom. In a certain way, they still are. The Arts of Boabom are not only a bridge to knowledge, but also a fine and yet firm thread connecting the student to the whole of an Art, to a mystical and authentic way of living. These teachings never formed a hierarchical religion, instead focusing on equilibrium, on valuing oneself, and on being oneself in a healthy and natural way, developed through an understanding of one's own potential.


    The Boston School of Boabom is non-competitive, non-hierarchical, and does not participate in tournaments or demonstrations. It follows the ancient ways, and is devoted solely to the transmission of its Arts.

    From another site
    THE SECOND ART

    Osseous Boabom: The Art of Self Defense

    This is the most complex area within the Mmulargan School. It can be described as "the Art of Self-Medicine through Self-Defense".



    • Physical and technical movement
    • Spontaneity
    • Emanation (or magnetism), what makes this Art truly unique. It has been said, with reason, that, even though not as widely known, this Art is the most ancient and most effective form of self-defense and self-medicine on the Earth.



    I have talked to Boabom school and am going to try a free lesson. The instructor (I thought they said they are non-hierarchical????) says he might spar with me :)

    #2
    I used to see flyers and such for these dopes when I was living in the Boston area. They must have some money, as they had billboards in the Harvard Square T station for a month or two at one point.

    Interested parties can find a few lulz on Amazon.com, where the book on boabom has searchable pages.

    PS: I'm glad this is in YMAS, not MABS for now. I just cannot take investigations that begin with large copy-pastes from Wikipedia all that seriously, at least not to start.
    Last edited by Rivington; 9/04/2008 9:01am, .

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      #3
      When Tai Chi is to rough, you can always study Boabom.
      Last edited by Beezer; 9/03/2008 7:50pm, .

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        #4
        Like I said before, Magnito will sue!
        Originally posted by MrBadGuy
        The Dog kid's mom is parked next to me in the parking lot. He runs up and asks me a question. "Hey dude, where did you learn that stuff?"

        "That was grappling. Real MMA."

        "Where do I go for that?"

        I was a little shocked. Sure, he changed sides quickly, but I guess even a dog can realize it has more in common with the wolf than with the shephard.

        I give him the names of some BJJ schools in the area, and we go our separate ways.

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          #5
          Originally posted by Darrel
          This is rediculous there hasn't been an investigation into this bullshit art so I am going to do one. Please help.

          This is why:

          seems like bullshido - No BS Martial Arts
          WTF!!! have you ever seen this? - No BS Martial Arts



          From your wiki article:

          Its teachers stress that, while the movements learned in the art could effectively be used in a combat situation, the central aim of the practice is to heighten bodily awareness and help the student attain an optimal state of health, energy, and vitality
          Why investigate an art that admits it isn't primarily for Self Defense? I wish more suspect schools said this in the first place.

          Well, have fun but remember, you have no clue what other SD arts the instructor trained.
          Last edited by It is Fake; 9/04/2008 7:46am, .

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            #6
            Originally posted by It is Fake
            Why investigate an art that admits it isn't primarily for Self Defense? I wish more suspect schools said this in the first place.
            You must have not been paying attention to the bit where they claim that this Art is the most ancient and most effective form of self-defense and self-medicine on the Earth.

            I thought debunking BS claims was what this site is about? Sorry if I am posting on the wrong site.
            Last edited by Darrel; 9/05/2008 10:43pm, .

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              #7
              Free Tibet!!!

              from bullshit.
              Last edited by Zendetta; 9/06/2008 2:04pm, .
              "You know what I like about you, William? You like guns AND meditation."

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                #8
                I want to tell you everything I know because I believe there's a dearth of information about these people out there. I don't know where to start. They're very secretive. They don't like telling you their birthnames. When you confront them with their own birth name they get very upset. One of the "teachers" once told me that their name, and anything they do outside of the school is none of my business and of no import to me. I countered that if they committed crimes then it was my business and was relevant. He didn't have an answer to that, just said "Yeah well that's not the case".

                They believe they can astral project. If you read Asanaro's books (he's their leader) he talks about astral projecting. The teachers all talk about the "other side" amongst themselves. Their names, like Asanaro, are from "the other side". Other side of what? I'm not sure. Amblam (sounds like emblem) was born Joyce, and her given name appears in Asanaro's books as the translator, but if you call her Joyce she pretends it's not her name. I've seen her parents, and I can't remember if they were on board with the "Amblam" thing or not but I think they were.

                They also have some strange writing they use often. It's in a big plaque in their studio, and the writing looks like cuneiforms or crop circles, take your pick! There are smaller plaques around the studio, which are similar to the stations of the cross. When you ask them what this means, they won't tell you. Asanaro likes to answer questions by saying "Ah ha!" and the rest of the "teachers" like to say "Ask Asanaro". All I know for certain is that their school in Vina Del Mar has more plaques around the room than the one in Boston.

                Speaking of Vina Del Mar, there was a bit of a scandal they had with their school in Chile. There's a person on the wikipedia page who talks about it. My understanding is that the school in Chile had been opened under a different name, "Sung thru". At this school, there was allegations of sexual coercion from the male "teachers" with the female students in the school. There was also an even bigger allegation that they had forced a student into sexual slavery and brought her to Spain. This allegation is refudiated by the group strongly, their claim is that the girl came on her own accord. Of course, the group in Boston claims to have no affiliation with them whatsoever.

                In fact, my partner once approached Ben Kelly, who is one of the "teachers" there about these allegations. He wanted to know if they were true or not, and Ben's response was something along the lines of 'How dare you ask me that. If you ever mentioned this to Asanaro you wouldn't be welcomed here ever again.' My partner never brought this up with Asanaro or any of the other teachers again. Needless to say, this sounds like a guilty response to me if I ever heard one!

                My own experience with them was that they were just weird and fake. They make you sit in this small waiting room that's so tiny there's absolutely no room for a private conversation. Anything you say in that room becomes public discussion.

                Also, I think they're control freaks. I had a test one time and I didn't wear the requisite all-black to the test. I got there 15 minutes early, and figured that if they had a problem with what I was wearing they'd let me know before we started the test, but they didn't. Asanaro started the test, and then went around the room asking my fellow students if they thought I should be allowed to test or not given that I wasn't wearing all black. Three people said they didn't think it was a big deal and they were okay with letting me wear what I was wearing, but Asanaro didn't stop until he got the answer he wanted. He got the answer he wanted from a Chilean student. I don't know if she followed him up from Chile or what her deal was, but she just said "A rule is a rule", and Asanaro was so pleased that he finally got his answer. After that, he stopped going around the room asking people on their opinions, even though there were about 3 other people left in the room who hadn't voted on the matter. In my opinion, you have to be an incredibly weak person to rely on someone else to validate your position, which is exactly what Asanaro did.

                I stopped attending their classes after that because I just didn't have the patience for it anymore. They were charging my partner and I hundreds of dollars a month for a martial art that wasn't very sophisticated, poorly instructed, and was full of assholes.

                That's my two cents. I'm here to field any further questions you might have about boabom.

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                  #9
                  Holy bump, Moses.

                  I need to get off the computer. My shodan test is tomorrow and this isn't helping me any.

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                    #10
                    Hi Jen:

                    Thank you for posting, what specifically did they claim about their age and origin?

                    How many branches do they have in the US and where are there locations?

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                      #11
                      They only have one school in the US, and it's in Boston. The last I knew, they were teaching a class in the NYC metro area once a month, but the only studio they have is in Boston. According to their website they're also teaching classes at the YMCA in Cambridge now. Their physical school in Boston is actually in Brookline, a suburb of Boston.

                      As far as their lineage goes, they never made any specific claims about where it's from or who Asanaro's teacher was. If you look at their wiki discussions page this is a point of contention and why no one believes they're legitimate. There's a chance if you asked them directly yourself you'd be able to get a better answer from them, but I doubt it. They thrive on secrecy and enjoy the 'mystique' it creates. The most comprehensive answer I've ever heard them give is that boabom is an 'ancient tibetan martial art'.

                      I believe the reason they don't make any specific claims about their origin and their lineage is because it's a hodge podge thing they've created on their own. I believe their most basic fighting stance would get your wrists broken in a split second, which is why I'm inclined to believe they're making this stuff up because it has no real-world-application.

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                        #12
                        I should also add that they like to hold summer solstice parties. These are informal get togethers with food in a public space, and include a small performance. They'll teach you a sequence and then have each class perform a different sequence. They record these performances and share them between schools. I don't know if they have any other schools, but the only other school I ever recalled seeing was the school in Vina del Mar's.

                        They host video showing parties which again include some light snacks. If I recall correctly, they also ask for donations at the video showing parties. Someone who had stuck with the school longer than I did recently told me that they were sick of seeing the videos because it was always the same videos over and over again.

                        The video parties are hosted at the school from my knowledge (which is now about 3 or 4 years old). Meanwhile their summer solstice parties take place at the Arnold Arboretum in Jamaica Plain, although they did hold one at Suffolk University one year. One of the 'teachers' is affiliated with Suffolk some how. I heard he taught there, but again, I wouldn't know for certain because it wasn't any of my concern!

                        I've also seen the Chilean teachers, who are really the core of the group, presumably walking home together after classes. I believe they all live together.

                        In case you're wondering about their graduation ceremonies, or their practices in general here's some more info. Each level takes about 3 months. You can be stuck in a level for a really long time if there's not enough people in it to merit a graduation ceremony. They'll let someone who's only been practicing for like 4 weeks graduate when everyone else has been practicing for 6 months, so long as they have enough people.

                        Graduation ceremonies are basically like any other class. You do about 30 mins of the class, and then you have a meditation component of the ceremony. Everyone sits indian style in a darkened room, and is supposed to close their eyes. I snuck a few peaks in when I could, and I believe they walk around the students and wave their hands about a foot away from everyone. I think they think they're doing energy work, like releasing chi blockages. I always laughed uncontrollably during this part because it was so silly. Other students thought it was weird but funny, and the 'teachers' encouraged this. They said something along the lines of 'That's okay, everyone has different reactions.'

                        In order to graduate you have to wear all black to the ceremony, pay a $40-60 graduation fee, and bring a present for the teachers. They said this was necessary because this is what they used to do in the olden days. I believe there's some story similar to this in one of Asanaro's books. I don't think they ever fail anyone. I heard one story about a student who totally choked during the graduation ceremony, and he still advanced to the next level. They let everyone advance to the next level, and my partner and his friend used to complain about this because there was a girl who didn't do anything but kept advancing with their class. It got to the point where she'd spend like 90% of the class sitting out because something was too hard for her but she still kept advancing to the next level. The next level, of course, means more money for the school because they charge you for the graduation ceremony and the next level usually comes with a price increase. I think the price increase capped out at about $110 per month, and they boasted that you could come to any class below your current level.
                        Last edited by JenM; 4/22/2011 9:33pm, . Reason: Adding more information

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                          #13
                          Thank you for all this thread bumping Jen, this information is extraordinarily interesting. Do you recall any specific claims of teaching self-defense proficiency?
                          Last edited by Epeeist; 4/22/2011 9:46pm, .

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                            #14
                            I've read 2 of Asanaro's books, and my general impression is the same old new age bullshit catering to mindless hippies who have no direction in life, and too much money in their bank account.

                            Tried to do a cursory search on Asanaro, but could find nothing about him not associated with his web site. If there was a legitimate investigation into his background, it would probably do a lot of good. His Baobom book seems to have a lot of dubious material, including a corkscrew punch which claims to be better than a regular punch, since the fist turns all the way out with the palm facing outside.

                            Also a lot of new agey stories supposedly from Tibet. Would be interesting to have a native Tibetan or someone familiar with the lore to take a look at this material. I'll try to scan some of the pages within the next few days.
                            =================
                            Kama Sutra blue belt.

                            Originally posted by Emevas
                            I used to fuck guys like you in prison.
                            Originally posted by Rock Ape
                            Dude I kill people for a fucking living.

                            Dipshit

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                              #15
                              http://www.martialartsplanet.com/for...ad.php?t=66850

                              Look at post #4. "Good morning,i practice boabom in madrid,here has a different name though," like Sung Thru, perhaps? These people are shady.

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