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    MABS Runoff: SJJK

    Just got back from a 3 day vacation... I don't have the patience to wade back into this mess.

    #2
    Originally posted by TheDingo
    Now, if you won't answer the questions from Askari, let me ask them instead, as I as well as interested in the reply (just close your eyes and pretend it's me...):



    For me this code back to post #40 in this thread which sums your arguments and Rory's. I find it improbably that a small splinter group (and you referred to them as that -- indicating that it might be a lineage thing) a) has the authority (and this supports you) or b) may actually have been given the authority and may be more than a few people learning from B&W films since even their students got SJJK membership certificates, or are they just that easy to get?



    I think the first questions you ask are legit because you are trying to summerize whether there is a lineage split. Ok fair enough

    But the last question is phrased in a derogatory way (see bold) and is totally irrelevant. Yes Bill is haughty at times but the mods are also trying to get people to realize that it works both ways. When you make a statement like this to a Koryu member you are talking about their family. Especially a small Ryu-ha. Phraseology like this comes off as ignorant and course.

    The truth is that the Soke (I don't like this term but will use it) determines how the art is transmitted and it is none of anybody's concern but the Soke's how he chooses to transmit the art.

    This question is a jab. The way the Soke chooses to transmit the art has nothing to do with this dispute. The issue is whether the art was transmitted to this other gentleman or not.
    This thread never was a high quality conversation - My friend vern Gilbert on the William Acquier thread.

    The fight in question having started over who owns which piece of rubble. Nicko1;2233174 On the Acquier Kim Fiasco slash thread.

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      #3
      Dsimon have you read the thread? If so, address the questions or chill. This is getting ridiculous. I don't care if you have empathy for the guy. He has spent a hundred posts insulting everyone and now you are going to chastise someone? Please, seriously stop.

      He insulted Iama Douchebag's Japanese. I didn't see you make any type of remark against that.

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        #4
        Originally posted by It is Fake
        Dsimon have you read the thread? If so, address the questions or chill. This is getting ridiculous. I don't care if you have empathy for the guy. He has spent a hundred posts insulting everyone and now you are going to chastise someone? Please, seriously stop.

        He insulted Iama Douchebag's Japanese. I didn't see you make any type of remark against that.

        IIF nobody is insulting anyone. I don't have empathy, as I am not Koryu. I do have some sympathy knowing certain ways Koryu people think about what they do.

        Look if you think the way the art is transmitted is an issue that needs addressing, then we can agree to disagree. I don't and I am expressing that in a nonpartisan fashion, meaning that if Bill brought it up I would say the same thing.

        Dave's Japanese is a complicated issue, I will diplomatically leave it at that suffice to say if he was personally insulted I would like to let him know I feel bad that he was agreived haha! :eusa_sile
        This thread never was a high quality conversation - My friend vern Gilbert on the William Acquier thread.

        The fight in question having started over who owns which piece of rubble. Nicko1;2233174 On the Acquier Kim Fiasco slash thread.

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          #5
          Notice I said nothing about Koryu, nor transmission, nor anything of the sort.

          I asked you to stop fanning the flames by pointing out the " derogatory statements" of one person and completely ignoring someone else.

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            #6
            I wasn't talking to you, Douche. The universe is only Doucheocentric in YMAS & Douchido (oooo...I like the sound of that). My posts were directed toward those who felt the need to explain why Mr. Williams was the way he was. In the end, all of that is irrelevant. We do what we do, and in my case, we look dead sexy while we're doing it.

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              #7
              Matt, just side lining for a sec,

              Where in Iraq does Mr. Miller operate? I'm due there soon and would like the opportunity to meet him if possible.

              PM me if you'd rather provide that info off forum.

              Thanks

              Dave

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                #8
                Originally posted by ignatzami
                I would doubt that. Look at Judo, Boxing, Wrestling. There seems to be a lessening or absence of bullshit in arts that stress competition and quantifiable results.

                I would think there will be some mysticism about the Gracies in 200 years, but in an age of verifiable fight records, and video proof it will be hard for them to mythos achieved by grandmasters dead and gone.
                Look at Matt Furey & Tony Cecchine, the questionable Mark Hatmaker, among all of the other frauds I can't bother looking up at the moment. There's bullshit everywhere.
                "Judo is a study of techniques with which you may kill if you wish to kill, injure if you wish to injure, subdue if you wish to subdue, and, when attacked, defend yourself" - Jigoro Kano (1889)
                ***Was this quote "taken out of context"?***

                "The judoist has no time to allow himself a margin for error, especially in a situation upon which his or another person's very life depends...."
                ~ The Secret of Judo (Jiichi Watanabe & Lindy Avakian), p.19

                "Hope is not a method... nor is enthusiasm."
                ~ Brigadier General Gordon Toney

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                  #9
                  Originally posted by Askari
                  This is gold.

                  Its a Comic Book addvert for Sosuishi-Ryu, using the name YUBIWAZA. This is prime Martial Silliness from the Golden Age! Click on the image and a full-sized version pops up.



                  Now remember that Nelson J. "Mitch" Fleming was the Sosuishi-Ryu representative in the US during the 1960s, and is the source of the schism that we are exploring.




                  Next up:

                  Really? Really Really?

                  Then why was SJJK advertising in the back of a comic book?

                  Why are the nobodies on this thread having to present history for people supposedly in the know of SJJK?
                  I love the two free gifts in the ad "How To Overcome An Inferiority Complex " and "How to Do Strong Man Stunts With Ease"

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                    #10
                    Yes, I must remember to poke my enemy in their eye with my invincible yubiwaza.

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                      #11
                      Alright you guys know I'm going to move these posts. Let's not get into nit pick category.

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                        #12
                        Such an enticingly horrible wall of textiness! My eyes... ze goggles do nutzing!

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                          #13
                          Has anyone read the book?

                          Has anyone read the book?

                          Just curious, seeing as I ordered it a few days ago.

                          If so, what did you think of it?

                          Cheers

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                            #14
                            Originally posted by sochin101
                            Strikes me as a jealous dude who has been told that he has the real sosuishi-ryu realising that someone from a different lineage has made money and got some minor fame by writing a book.
                            Sour grapes.

                            I may go and order the book to see what all the fuss is about.

                            No such thing as bad publicity, after all.
                            I may as well, the book is only 12 bucks on Amazon after all.
                            "Sifu, I"m niether - I'm a fire dragon so don't fuck with me!"

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                              #15
                              If this was a subtle troll to get us to buy the book... bravo...

                              if this was thread was intended to discredit Rory Miller, it seems to have failed to convince the martial arts historians here, the researchers, the koryu guys and the casual reader wondering "WTF?".
                              Multiple fail, NYBUDOKA.
                              Where there is only a choice between cowardice and violence, I would advise violence.

                              Gandhi

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