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    Dillman Dilema

    I have been studying/practicing the martial arts since 1989. I began training in Goju Ryu and about a year into my training (Green Belt) my instructor began changing which katas we were required to know and mentioned that we were beginning Ryukyu Kempo under George Dillman. I was 9 so most of the changes were transparent to me as most of what was changed was new material to me.

    We learned jujitsu techniques from our instructor, to which he incorporated "Dillman's" pressure point theory. We did study pressure point meridians and KO's. I have opinions of my own on the KO's, in that the pressure points are conveniently located near the nerves that are commonly traumatized in say, a boxing KO.

    Anyway, my sensei "retired" from martial arts instruction just about the time that Dillman started hyping up the no-touch KO's. At this point I was a 2nd Dan under Dillman, with seemingly nowhere to go. Shortly thereafter I enlisted and spent 4 years in the Marines (which, sorry to say have terrible martial arts training). Upon returning home after my enlistment I learned that a fellow student in my teacher's class had begun to teach classes with our sensei's permission. This was run as a school founded by our sensei who at his retirement was a 7th dan under Dillman. Since that time we have been functioning as a small organization with 3-4 schools run out of gyms or park districts. We have practiced jujitsu/grappling techniques and typical Karate-Do self-defense techniques. I have since been promoted to 3rd and 4th dan by my sensei.

    No one in our group is in anyway associated with Dillman, Dragon Society, .... however, my instructor is adamant that we still claim to study Ryukyu Kempo as he is a great admirer of Gichin Funakoshi. My largest problem is that I want to respect his wishes, but I would also like to not be grouped with the likes of Dillman, as I've already received a rather "warm" welcome on another thread here.

    My Sandan and Yondan certificates are awarded to me by my sensei and not Dillman or any other large organization. And yes, I am aware that these are just pieces of paper, but there are always those folks that need the proof.

    Do I start over? Do I change the name to something less Dillman-like and call it Okinawan Kempo?

    #2
    Well if you have no affiliation with Dillmans group and you just learned some of his techniques then I guess you are fine... Unless your ceriticates have the Dillman Seal on them!

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      #3
      As long as you are honest about what you are doing and where your training comes from call it what you want. It's not in the name, it's in the content.

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        #4
        Fuck Dill-hole! In my opinion, he is a fraud! I would kick his f@ck!n ass in a fight. For god sakes this is 2008!!!!!!!

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          #5
          I don't know if I buy the Dillman pressure point KOs are located along Western medicine recognized nerve cluseters and such. Sometimes this is true, but I've seen videos of him attacking points on the arms, which isn't consistent with that philosophy.

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            #6
            I'm not trying to legitimize any of Dillman's methodology. As far as PPKO's are concerned, the nerve clusters I refer to are the vagus nerve, the cranial nerve, and the supraorbital nerve, all found in the head and the neck. I'm not a fan of the idea of the double nipple tweak KO.

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              #7
              If you punch Dillman in the stomach you get a free pass.

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                #8
                Have you met Dillman? or every had him try that stuff on you?

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                  #9
                  I think we should drop this line of conversation. In regards to my last comment, Dillman NTKO'd me from a book depository with a sniper scope. I really don't want any more trouble.

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                    #10
                    Originally posted by TodeJutsu
                    ...My instructor is adamant that we still claim to study Ryukyu Kempo as he is a great admirer of Gichin Funakoshi.
                    How come a Funakoshi admirer wishes to identify as a kempo practitioner rather than a karateka, and, dare I say, a Shotokan karateka?

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                      #11
                      As lineage wars demonstrate, where you're from Does matter.
                      If you change the name you raise questions of legitimacy and self promotion.

                      Celebrate the split or difference but don't obsess, and focus on what you can influence, the present and future of your art.

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                        #12
                        Because Ryukyu Kempo is where Funakoshi's studies began in Okinawa. Shotokan was what Funakoshi later taught in Japan.

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                          #13
                          How's your LARP quotient already? Are you teaching lunge punches and choreographed man-dancing and untested techniques? If you are, might as well teach Dillman's responses to lunge punches and Dillman's untested techniques. Throw your hat over the wall, man.

                          If your teacher called it X, you learned only from your teacher, and now you're teaching it, how is what you're teaching going to be called Y? If you're going to rename it or add a little to it or subtract a little from it and then rename it, go whole hog and name it after yourself, then award yourself 10th degree. Problem solved.

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                            #14
                            Start again as a jits white belt.

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                              #15
                              FYI, there are 12 cranial nerves; the vagus nerve is one of them. I'm also curious as to how exactly one would strike the vagus nerve, given its protected location.

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