Are "U" ready for the next Bullshido throwdown? (bring Kingdom Hearts AMVs)

[Goju - Joe]

Question,
If I went to one of the throwdowns with no striking training and asked you to teach me to jab and I had no training ever in striking what would you think the best advice you could give me would be?

If you did help me out some and my subsequent training was solely screwing around with friends, what then?

Is this actually going on as a real issue?

[UpaLumpa]

In fact such individuals apparently should be dealt with my completely owning them, giving no quarter, and then leaving them with a list of BJJ schools in their area.

Honestly, if Wastrel had done this to me in 2002 I would probably be at least a brown belt in bjj. I also would have left a crappy school much earlier.

[The Question]

Question,
If I went to one of the throwdowns with no striking training and asked you to teach me to jab and I had no training ever in striking what would you think the best advice you could give me would be?

I'd spar with you for two rounds and then tell you to find a school. I wouldn't teach, I'm not the kind of person who can show someone how to jab anyway.

If you did help me out some and my subsequent training was solely screwing around with friends, what then?

Honestly, I wouldn't care that much. I would be too busy punching other people, or chillin'. You know, doing whatever I feel like.

Also, thanks for the compliment, but no.

What the fuck are you talking about?

[UpaLumpa]

Is this actually going on as a real issue?

It used to, and from some smattering of video of watched it is still there to a degree.
The whole argument just makes me tired now.

[UpaLumpa]

I'd spar with you for two rounds and then tell you to find a school. I wouldn't teach

Exactly.

Honestly, I wouldn't care that much. I would be too busy punching other people, or chillin'. You know, doing whatever I feel like.

Put yourself in the position of someone like JNP then, where people are (it sounds like) taking his time to spar and enjoy himself and putting him in the position of teaching. I assume SamboSteve's time might get similarly monopolized.

What the fuck are you talking about?

I don't consider myself qualified, most of the time, to give effective criticism.

[Cassius]

WAIT, WAIT, WAIT, hold the motherfucking phone. So it's cool to use the internet as a training aid, but not a throwdown, where the other people are present in human form, not just as contorted wisps of digital information? So someone shows up at a throwdown, raw, green, new, fresh, trying to see what all the BJJ fuss is about, and he is met with "fuck off, stupid noob"? Because that's what is being presented here. It is OK to use the internet as a training aid, or as a way of introduction to certain marshall arts, but attempting to use a throwdown as such is criminal?

Man, you guys are full of shit.

Except for the part where I clearly said in my first post on this thread that I don't give a shit who shows up to a throwdown, but I do have a problem with people that suck for no particular reason getting defensive when they are taken down a few notches. So is your reading comprehension terrible, or are you just too ADD to actually read what I post before you respond to it?

Examples of things I can do on the internet related to training that I can't realistically expect to do at Throwdowns:

Keep a training log

Share videos of myself competing and ask for feedback from skilled grapplers around the world

Keep in touch with likeminded people to work through problems, share advice, and exchange training ideas regularly

Since I have a good base in BJJ, occasionally pick up new techniques (I can think of 5 specific instances of learning techniques from the internet)

What I can do at the local MMA gym:

Spar with professional fighters, work on my wrestling and striking.

For comparison:

What I generally can't do at a Throwdown:

Pretty much everything I just listed.

What I can do at a Throwdown:

Drink beer, eat fatty food, and hang out with people from the internet. Maybe roll or spar with someone worth sparring?? Unless I specifically knew someone I wanted to roll or spar with was going, I wouldn't bother. But that's my individual choice. Go to throwdowns all you want, people. Just think about why you're there, and don't be a bitch if someone criticizes you for sucking. Even if they say it in a meanie voice.

And really, in how many different subjects do I have to school you before you just shut the fuck up and get your shine box?

[The Question]

Exactly.

Damn straight.

Put yourself in the position of someone like JNP then, where people are (it sounds like) taking his time to spar and enjoy himself and putting him in the position of teaching. I assume SamboSteve's time might get similarly monopolized.

I dunno about that. I've only met SamboSteve on one occasion (super cool dude, shout out to SamboSteve), we had a very short conversation in which he explained to me the rules/scoring of Combat Sambo and the tournament circuit. I didn't even roll with him, because there were a bunch of cats I had sparring dates with. I didn't notice any kind of monopoly. But, I'm not able to speak on such things, since I didn't really notice what was going because I was mostly focused on hitting/choking people. Also, I haven't been to every NE TD.

If cats do in fact monopolize JNP's time, that sucks. But sometimes if you're good, people ask you shit. If they ask you too much shit, say some wise and sagely shit like "don't worry too much about the techniques, it's all the same thing and it comes with practice, so let's roll".

I don't consider myself qualified, most of the time, to give effective criticism.

But you do in fact comment on shit, and show insight and whatnot. I don't know how good you are, but you do discuss technical shit on the forums from time to time. Something that I probably won't do even if I'm decent at it or understand what's going on. I'm just not that interested.

[The Question]

Except for the part where I clearly said in my first post on this thread that I don't give a shit who shows up to a throwdown, but I do have a problem with people that suck for no particular reason getting defensive when they are taken down a few notches. So is your reading comprehension terrible, or are you just too ADD to actually read what I post before you respond to it?

Sorry, I think I'm getting you and Hedgehogey confused. But who can blame me, all assholes look similar enough from far away.

Examples of things I can do on the internet related to training that I can't realistically expect to do at Throwdowns:

Keep a training log

Share videos of myself competing and ask for feedback from skilled grapplers around the world

That shit sounds like a waste of time to me. But to each his own.

Keep in touch with likeminded people to work through problems, share advice, and exchange training ideas regularly

I find that LULZY. But it's just because I think such things should be done in person. And the throwdowns are a great opportunity for this because some people are skilled and are improving, and we can discuss training and exchange ideas and shit.

Since I have a good base in BJJ, occasionally pick up new techniques (I can think of 5 specific instances of learning techniques from the internet)

Yeah, I hang around on lockflow.com from time to time.

What I can do at the local MMA gym:

Spar with professional fighters, work on my wrestling and striking.

So you should be at the local MMA gym all the time then?

For comparison:

What I generally can't do at a Throwdown:

Pretty much everything I just listed.

Rilly? Because I've done that shit at a throwdown before.

What I can do at a Throwdown:

Drink beer, eat fatty food, and hang out with people from the internet. Maybe roll or spar with someone worth sparring?? Unless I specifically knew someone I wanted to roll or spar with was going, I wouldn't bother.

That's fair. Personally, I start talking shit on the internet about people I want to spar with. That way we're good to go by the time cats show up.

But that's my individual choice. Go to throwdowns all you want, people. Just think about why you're there, and don't be a bitch if someone criticizes you for sucking. Even if they say it in a meanie voice.

I would be inclined to agree. It's just that Hedgehogey is a douchebag and I want to punch him in the face.

And really, in how many different subjects do I have to school you before you just shut the fuck up and get your shine box?

I don't know what the fuck you're talking about. School who in what?

[Frank White]

The ? is making so much sense now that I think I'm going to cry...

[MrSmith]

The ? is making so much sense now that I think I'm going to cry...

I know. It's beautiful.

[vinhthekid]

i got hedge first if he comes to nyc.

[Fearless Ukemi]

The ? is making so much sense now that I think I'm going to cry...

I would tend to agree, but I'm not sure I understand this:

That's fair. Personally, I start talking shit on the internet about people I want to spar with. That way we're good to go by the time cats show up.

If you're only sparring, what's with the shit talking?

[The Question]

I would tend to agree, but I'm not sure I understand this:




If you're only sparring, what's with the shit talking?

Because I can't very well *fight* people I met on the internet. That would make me a hooligan/thug, or worse, Hedgehogey.

[Ke?poFist]

Honestly, if Wastrel had done this to me in 2002 I would probably be at least a brown belt in bjj. I also would have left a crappy school much earlier.

I feel ya there. I had to go the long route for a while too, before I had someone who just relentlessly beat the stupidity out of me.

This is why when I first roll with someone, depending on the individual of course, I like to pour the heat on so they know what they are in for. After those introductions are out of the way, I'm usually more laid back. But again it all depends.

If I know someone is a BJJ or Sambo player, then I'm less inclined to turn the roll into a pissing match, so I'm much less competitive. On the flip side of the coin, there are times I roll with someone who is completely new, and I can tell they are sincere at just getting down the basics, so again I barely give them a fight, and let them work their positions and submission attempts. Heck, sometimes I may even let them get a tap out of me if they set it up nice and clean.

In short, if I see someone is deluded, and they are talking about stupid shit, (yes, even saying something like, "I wrestled in HS, and did some JJJ so I think I'm competent on the ground" is labeled as "stupid shit" to me) then I go in to take them to town - for their own good of course :drunken_s

[Ke?poFist]

i got hedge first if he comes to nyc.

You do realize that Hedge's grappling skill is probably out of my league, considering his accomplishments and time in grade? Or do you mean you wanna bang with him with striking permitted? lol