Are "U" ready for the next Bullshido throwdown? (bring Kingdom Hearts AMVs)

[Hedgehogey]

So, is Hedgehogey actually any good at his sport of choice?

AAU Sport Jiujitsu Regional Qualifiers NoVa, Third Place
Relson Gracie In House, Finalist
Grapplemania, Competitor, DQed on a technicality but up on points
Battle At Baylor Blue Belt Division, First Place
Battle At Baylor Takedown/Throw Division, First Place
Austin Martial Arts Festival, Blue Belt Div., Second Place
Relson Gracie Association SW Regionals, Blue Belt Div., First place

[E-Van]

AAU Sport Jiujitsu Regional Qualifiers NoVa, Third Place
Relson Gracie In House, Finalist
Grapplemania, Competitor, DQed on a technicality but up on points
Battle At Baylor Blue Belt Division, First Place
Battle At Baylor Takedown/Throw Division, First Place
Austin Martial Arts Festival, Blue Belt Div., Second Place
Relson Gracie Association SW Regionals, Blue Belt Div., First place

Be honest Hedge.. do you have that list of acomplishments macro'd?

[Hedgehogey]

It's copypasta.

[selfcritical]

Hedge rolls well with purple belts with extensive wrestling experience, so I would say yes.

[MaverickZ]

AAU Sport Jiujitsu Regional Qualifiers NoVa, Third Place
Relson Gracie In House, Finalist
Grapplemania, Competitor, DQed on a technicality but up on points
Battle At Baylor Blue Belt Division, First Place
Battle At Baylor Takedown/Throw Division, First Place
Austin Martial Arts Festival, Blue Belt Div., Second Place
Relson Gracie Association SW Regionals, Blue Belt Div., First place

Fascinating.

[E-Van]

Video or it didn't happen.

hah! You were concieved? VIDEO OR IT DIDNT HAPPEN!:pool:

[eyebeams]

There was some system for getting a throwdown rep by fighting according to an MMA rules set. Seemed straightforward to me.

[Hedgehogey]

1) You've almost injured me and my friend pretty badly rolling, and that's WITHOUT you being aggre about stuff, and someone's ankle got jacked. You can see why I might not want to do any full-intensity rolling

I was going perhaps a little harder than normal because I was new to DB style...I'd forgotten the kindof stress flying guard pulls can put on knees. But full intensity's not what i'm asking, especially among people who already can grapple. I'm asking for good intensity, there's a big difference.
In fact, if I asked for full intensity we'd get an amazing amount of matspaz all over the floor.

2) Your instructions when my friends were like "let's come away with one skill we didn't have before" was kinda dick. Alan who was being taught shrimping by JNP and zap was listening and they were doing a pretty good job getting it across. Marcos(the mexi-dude) was having trouble understanding the movement, so alan tried to think of something analagous that marcos already knew how to do. Now, regardless of how off alan's attempt at analogy was, do you honestly think treating him like some "Zomg we have groundfighting hidden in the formz!" dude was going to be helpful, particularly in comparison to "well, it's actuallly different like x". My motivation for going to the throwdowns is to get my friends able to roll and spar together and hopefully learn something, not to be my personal ego-boost. Which is not to say that as I get to know people better we shouldn't spar harder and harder. I would just rather not that people I know outside of fighting decide not to crosstrain because the first BJJ guys they meet are assholes to them.

A: Throwdowns are not the place to learn the basics of grappling. At all. If you don't know how to shrimp, go to a real school.

B: He was thirty seconds and a period of furious digging through his forms from finding the secret taichi shrimping method, don't kid yourself. If JNP had continued with his terminally nice attempts at reconciliation and softselling it to him, he would've found it, and once a TCMAer has discovered secret groundfighting in their forms, the only cure is a skullride. The moment of shock you get from someone laughing in your face is often the impetus you need to realize "Hey, this is bullshit!".

Which is not to say I have a problem with you, hedge, just that I think forcing the throwdowns in that direction might make them not jibe with my reasons for going.

I'll give you this: None of your sparring has been the kind I have a problem with.

[Cassius]

While I am not necessarily interested in enforcing standards upon Throwdowns, I do have some gripes. When people show up and suck balls hard, they very rarely seem to evaluate why they suck balls so hard. There seems to be very little reevaluation of training these days. Take Dr. Tzun Tzu, for example. Bullshido as a whole has been telling him that he sucks hard for years. He still regularly shows up to Throwdowns, has no idea what he's doing, and looks like an ass. This is not going to change. He is immune to criticism.

Many throwdown participants find themselves getting defensive when approximately zero posters say good things about their sparring video, and that leads to excuses. Very few participants are willing to take the ego hit and just admit that they need to reevaluate some or all portions of their training.

The truth is, many of you have very fragile egos, and cannot take criticism. On the other hand, people on this website are quick to throw rocks without offering useful criticism (Hedgehogey, as much as a lot of you may not like him, is not one of these people). A lot of you circle like vultures when there is an easy target, but you will not step up and offer useful advice.

A couple years ago, I posted footage of myself in my very first blue belt division grappling tournament. Even though I took second in a fairly deep division, I was unhappy with my performance. Distressed, even. I thought I was more skillful than what the video showed. When I posted the videos in my training log, AND THEN CREATED A SEPARATE THREAD IN THE BBC JUST FOR PEOPLE TO CRITICIZE MY PERFORMANCE, very few people bothered to give me an honest evaluation, or even listen to what I was asking for. Most mistook it for a "hey I won congratulate me" thread, actually. Lesson Learned: On top of most posters on bullshido sucking at MA, most of them are also fucking worthless. That's how I learned that as annoying as many of you might find Shuma, Aesopian, Hedgehogey, and whoever else you think is in the BJJihad, they are still better posters that most of you, because they will give you an honest evaluation if you don't act like a fucking baby when they criticize you.

I try to help as much as I can, but I'm in the Army, so there goes 14 hours of my day right there, and then I have to train, and then I have to clean up all the messes you fuckos leave in Gitmo and DHS, and do about a billion other things. Posters acting like babies when someone tells them that they aren't a snowflake is tiring. I'm getting very tired of it. Soon, I'm not even going to be able to moderate here because of my job. That means other people will have to pick up the slack.

jnp, JohnnyCache, HedgeHogey, and the other useful posters that I didn't feel like randomly mentioning today can't do it all on their own. Some of you worthless shitbags should step up and help them out.

[jnp]

I'm a little disappointed in some of you. In the only video posted of me at the latest TD, it appears I barely know how to grapple, but no one lambasted me for it. Did everyone know I was hurt and couldn't really shrimp to the right or did I get a free pass because members think I don't suck?

Where's the persecution? I feel left out.

Also, I find it quite amusing that Hedge can get so many people worked up. Even semi-pro trolls like The Question fall before Hedge's warped analogies.

[MaverickZ]

I'm a little disappointed in some of you. In the only video posted of me at the latest TD, it appears I barely know how to grapple, but no one lambasted me for it. Did everyone know I was hurt and couldn't really shrimp to the right or did I get a free pass because members think I don't suck?

Where's the persecution? I feel left out.

Also, I find it quite amusing that Hedge can get so many people worked up. Even semi-pro trolls like The Question fall before Hedge's warped analogies.

See that bright purple tag up above your post? That should give you a good clue as to why.

[Cassius]

I'm a little disappointed in some of you. In the only video posted of me at the latest TD, it appears I barely know how to grapple, but no one lambasted me for it. Did everyone know I was hurt and couldn't really shrimp to the right or did I get a free pass because members think I don't suck?

Where's the persecution? I feel left out.

I'd harass you about it, but I still can't even sleep on my right side because of the rib injury I sustained two years ago, I certainly understand the problems that arise with training on injured ribs, and since I'd rather read your training log than post in mine these days, I'm kind of all up in your business.

Besides, sucking due to injury tends to qualify as a "reason," not an "excuse."

[jdinca]

Hey, no kidding! Read the old thread I linked to.

I'm sorry Matt, I must have missed it.

[Tenebrous]

Something I should mention.

As much as I envy Hedgehogey's Ninja-Slayer tag (that should be mine, bitch) something about what he's pushing here is pretty damn true. Some people will listen to reason or learn that they don't know as much as they think from attending a TD and messing around. I was learning crappling from an unqualified goon who pretended to have good credentials.

BudShiDist kicked my ass. Not a little. Squashed. Carelessly dismantled. It was immediately apparent that I hadn't learned anything useful. 6, 7 months of crappling? Does not help you when rolling with a BJJ Blue belt under great instructors. He didn't hurt me, he didn't talk smack, he didn't roll hard to show me who was the boss. He politely pointed out a school in his family tree near enough to me that I could get started with some real grappling.

So I did. And here we are.

I don't see anything wrong with a couple guys who don't know what they're doing fooling around, but they're unlikely to have any sort of revelation unless they roll with a well-trained practitioner of something emminently useful.

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[UpaLumpa]

A couple years ago, I posted footage of myself in my very first blue belt division grappling tournament. Even though I took second in a fairly deep division, I was unhappy with my performance. Distressed, even. I thought I was more skillful than what the video showed. When I posted the videos in my training log, AND THEN CREATED A SEPARATE THREAD IN THE BBC JUST FOR PEOPLE TO CRITICIZE MY PERFORMANCE, very few people bothered to give me an honest evaluation, or even listen to what I was asking for.

Hence the failure of the competition video thread I started.