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    "I'll never be in that situation........"

    So I recently was in Phoenix and visited a friend of mine who teaches a JKD class. It's pretty much a dirty boxing/ kickboxing class with a small level of trapping. The things he teaches are really very practical, as he's had many years of experience and training. He's a good Inosanto guy. However, his students tend to be geeks.

    I don't know what it is about the term "JKD." It seems to bring out geekiness in the martial arts world. Hell, I think many of Inosanto-certified instructors tend to shy away from anymore. These geeks want a martial art that doesn't have any structure and is "perfect for the street." Or what they imagine is the street. Here is my story.

    I did a class to get a work out and my friend taught. It was good kickboxing with some "dirt" thrown in, but not too much. That's fine, because the "dirty" techniques are rather unrefined and any idiot can do them anyway (eye poke, groin kick and etc.) Keep in mind that the "dirt" is really not emphasized or even drilled that much. The focus is on good boxing and kicking. Anyway, towards the end, Vince asks me to show a couple of things I've learned. So I am happy to share.

    Since the focus on the class was stand up "street" fighting, I decide that maybe a couple of takedowns will be fun. Anyway, I decide to focus on a series that I'm very familiar with and love, the fireman's carry. I show variations of the inside, outside and middle fireman's carry from a clinch position. It seemed that people were getting it, and figuring it out. They seemed to be having fun and learning. However, after the class was over, I hear some students saying "those were cool throws, but I'll never clinch someone" and "this isn't realistic, who the heck fights like this?"

    Vince heard it too and was indifferent about it. He says that he teaches similar things, but hears the same shit all of the time. He is convinced that the "JKD" culture brings out this bullshit culture of people who think that "street fighting" has no rules, and so they can dictate how a fight will occur. It's like they fantasize that bad things won't happen in a fight. I mean, WTF? It seems that JKD has degraded to just another "TMA" where people live in a dream world where if they just have a "black belt" they can defeat anyone who is not.

    Rant is over. Thanks.
    "Those who can make you believe absurdities, can make you commit atrocities." Voltaire.

    #2
    I've only known one person that did JKD, and he was a very large fellow. Not large as in muscley, but large as in "In charge of cheeseburger deconstruction". He would go to my BJJ / Kickboxing class back in the day and say, "X is ineffective", or "Y would never work!", but then turn around and say "I learned a new pressure point!" or "Lemme show you this cool arm break! Ok, now punch at my chest...slower..."

    I think JKD gave people the misconception that they can use whatever the hell they want in a fight. Not only that, but it will both work and the other person will only do the same thing. I'm pretty sure it's supposed to be "use what works", but I don't know jackidy crappidy about JKD, so I'm worthless.

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      #3
      I think the same about people who say i know Martial Arts, so i don't need a gun or know how to use one.

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        #4
        JKD comes in about ten million flavours these days. Some are pretty tasty, others, well, not so good.

        I suspect the problem is that the legend of Bruce Lee draws in all the sad wannabees and the 'take what you want and dicard the rest' thing can be easily rationalised as a license to cobble together whatever crap you feel like and call it JKD.

        When I trained in JKD about 1988-92, I actually heard the phrase 'JKD' about twice in that time, and I only discovered the whole Lineage sack of cats about 3 years after I moved on. The guy who taught me was good at what he did/does and allowed it to stand for what it was.

        He taught basically two things. You could pick either in most classes. One was hard kickboxing/thai/savate/smashy-smashy kick-punch stuff, the other was more Gung Fu - trapping and stuff. I never really 'got' that side of it at all, though I did leg it down the street with a couple of nice armlocks - one of which I used to stop a real fight some years later (to my surprise AND the other guy's).

        The smashy-smashy stuff was pretty vanilla flavour fightin' stuff, delivering hard blows. Mainly boxing-type hands and Thai type kicks. I still use that stuff.

        So, my JKD experience was pretty good. Ironically, there was little talk of Bruce or JKD, it was all 'hit him in the head until he's sorry, who cares where it came from, it hurts the other guy' type attitude.

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          #5
          I have only been in 2 gunfights in my life and dammit they didn't tell me it was gonna be a gunfight.luckily for me both times the guys were drunk and didn't have the gun out already,so I was quicker and able to react before they even touched the gun.
          Was I scared? Hell yea!! did I kick or punch?No I grabbed their fuckin mitts away from the hardware and grappled,along with a well placed headbutt and knee to the groin.
          The funny thing is I am not a grappler I knew body positioning from Kenpo and working in nursing(I know nursing the re4l d34dly lol) and being barrel chested I have an advantage in a grapple.
          But my point is I have always said the stupidest thing to do in close quarters is reach for a gun,I always thought I would do the knock-out punch or kick but I didn't I was protecting my wife and kids both times and my instincts took over and they said don't let this fucker get ahold of that gun so I grabbed the arms and went wild with the rest of my body.
          score one for grappling amove I thought I would never use in a situation I never truly thought I would be in.

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            #6
            Damn! just realized this post can work in the can you defend yourself thread too :)

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              #7
              You should have shown them their error, OP. Clinch one of them up to just show how easily you can manhandle an idiot once you clinch up. Then knees.

              "WON'T USE THIS IN SELF DEFENSE, HUH!?"
              Lord Krishna said: I am terrible time the destroyer of all beings in all worlds, engaged to destroy all beings in this world; Of those heroic soldiers presently situated in the opposing army, even without you none will be spared.
              Bhagavad Gita 11:32

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                #8
                TKDKen, what makes you qualified to teach takedowns and throws?

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                  #9
                  So it sounds like a typical day with a typical Phoenician

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                    #10
                    Originally posted by Thaiboxerken
                    However, his students tend to be geeks.

                    I don't know what it is about the term "JKD." It seems to bring out geekiness in the martial arts world. Hell, I think many of Inosanto-certified instructors tend to shy away from anymore. These geeks want a martial art that doesn't have any structure and is "perfect for the street." Or what they imagine is the street. Here is my story.


                    Since the focus on the class was stand up "street" fighting, I decide that maybe a couple of takedowns will be fun. Anyway, I decide to focus on a series that I'm very familiar with and love, the fireman's carry. I show variations of the inside, outside and middle fireman's carry from a clinch position. It seemed that people were getting it, and figuring it out. They seemed to be having fun and learning. However, after the class was over, I hear some students saying "those were cool throws, but I'll never clinch someone" and "this isn't realistic, who the heck fights like this?"

                    Vince heard it too and was indifferent about it. He says that he teaches similar things, but hears the same shit all of the time. He is convinced that the "JKD" culture brings out this bullshit culture of people who think that "street fighting" has no rules, and so they can dictate how a fight will occur. It's like they fantasize that bad things won't happen in a fight. I mean, WTF? It seems that JKD has degraded to just another "TMA" where people live in a dream world where if they just have a "black belt" they can defeat anyone who is not.

                    Rant is over. Thanks.
                    You're a bitch. The proper thing to do is say the following to these nerd motherfuckers: "You never know where a fights gonna go, prepare for everything", or some other bullshit like that.

                    The fact that people who know better dismiss interested cats as "geeks larpers who won't be shit" is exactly what contributes to this proliferation of schools filled with "geek larpers who won't be shit".

                    Fuck you, you holier than thou motherfucker. You make me sick.

                    What the fuck you know about some fightin' anyway? Bitch.
                    Originally posted by Goju - joe
                    being a dick with skill is only marginally better than being a dick without skill.

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                      #11
                      Originally posted by mad_malk
                      I think the same about people who say i know Martial Arts, so i don't need a gun or know how to use one.
                      Or vice versa. Can't tell you how many times I've heard "I don't need that krotty crap. I'll just pull my357 and end it right there". I usually respond with "OK draw on 3, ready?"

                      As far as JKD, what most of these clowns don't understand is that Bruce Lee had incredible natural talent, and also had a solid foundation in _-ing -un (OK, just let it go for the sake of argument). He also did a LOT of training and research. He didn't take 6 months of this and a weekend seminar in that, and throw in a few things he saw on TV once. Nowadays people take his philosophy to mean they can just do whatever they want, and if it looks like too much work then it must be a waste of time.

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                        #12
                        You say "draw on three, ready" and then what happens?

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                          #13
                          They say "I'll go home and get my gun and then we'll see" or something equally as stupid. No, I don't say it to random strangers in a bar, only people that I know and am having the conversation with, and I'm relatively sure won't put a bullet between my eyes for being a wise ass.

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                            #14
                            Originally posted by Thaiboxerken
                            So I recently was in Phoenix and visited a friend of mine who teaches a JKD class. It's pretty much a dirty boxing/ kickboxing class with a small level of trapping. The things he teaches are really very practical, as he's had many years of experience and training. He's a good Inosanto guy. However, his students tend to be geeks.

                            I don't know what it is about the term "JKD." It seems to bring out geekiness in the martial arts world. Hell, I think many of Inosanto-certified instructors tend to shy away from anymore. These geeks want a martial art that doesn't have any structure and is "perfect for the street." Or what they imagine is the street. Here is my story.

                            I did a class to get a work out and my friend taught. It was good kickboxing with some "dirt" thrown in, but not too much. That's fine, because the "dirty" techniques are rather unrefined and any idiot can do them anyway (eye poke, groin kick and etc.) Keep in mind that the "dirt" is really not emphasized or even drilled that much. The focus is on good boxing and kicking. Anyway, towards the end, Vince asks me to show a couple of things I've learned. So I am happy to share.

                            Since the focus on the class was stand up "street" fighting, I decide that maybe a couple of takedowns will be fun. Anyway, I decide to focus on a series that I'm very familiar with and love, the fireman's carry. I show variations of the inside, outside and middle fireman's carry from a clinch position. It seemed that people were getting it, and figuring it out. They seemed to be having fun and learning. However, after the class was over, I hear some students saying "those were cool throws, but I'll never clinch someone" and "this isn't realistic, who the heck fights like this?"

                            Vince heard it too and was indifferent about it. He says that he teaches similar things, but hears the same shit all of the time. He is convinced that the "JKD" culture brings out this bullshit culture of people who think that "street fighting" has no rules, and so they can dictate how a fight will occur. It's like they fantasize that bad things won't happen in a fight. I mean, WTF? It seems that JKD has degraded to just another "TMA" where people live in a dream world where if they just have a "black belt" they can defeat anyone who is not.

                            Rant is over. Thanks.
                            If my teacher taught something, and got called on out it, I'm sure he would start a sparing match to prove it works right then and there.
                            "a martial art that has no rules is nothing but violence" - Kenji Tomiki

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                              #15
                              Originally posted by The Question
                              You're a bitch. The proper thing to do is say the following to these nerd motherfuckers: "You never know where a fights gonna go, prepare for everything", or some other bullshit like that.

                              The fact that people who know better dismiss interested cats as "geeks larpers who won't be shit" is exactly what contributes to this proliferation of schools filled with "geek larpers who won't be shit".

                              Fuck you, you holier than thou motherfucker. You make me sick.

                              What the fuck you know about some fightin' anyway? Bitch.
                              Are you trying to fit the currently empty throne of No. 1 Troll? It's a serious question

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