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    "At least I admit I suck".

    For years now this mantra has served as a magical cover-all for so many forms of laziness and impracticality in training methods on behalf of some of our worst posters here. It's a rhetorical disclaimer many have used--whored, I daresay--to excuse otherwise inexcusably awful performances by people who should know better, and oftentimes do.


    If you've figured out by now I'm referring specifically to Pizdoff, treat yourself to some of the ice cream I stole from him in the recent Toronto Throwdown thread, where I attacked him for his atrocious performance in his grappling videos. But the problem doesn't begin and end with him, because as several people in that thread fairly asked, "Why do you care?"

    I care because in the five or so years I've been training BJJ, I've had the honor of training with dozens, maybe even a hundred people, some of which were phenomenally talented, some of which were bad but learning, some of which outright sucked. I never had any problems training with any of these people so long as they trained hard and did their best.

    But the people I really hated rolling with, the only ones who I genuinely thought were wasting my time, were the ones who just said "I suck" and left it at that. These were the people with relentlessly self-defeating attitudes that arose not from caring and becoming discouraged, but from not caring and becoming discouraged. These were the people who'd come in once a month, prattle on about MMA fights and instructionals, sometimes exchange vague catchphrases like "I need to something something my hips", and then sit out after minutes of rolling.

    They weren't uneducated. They weren't innocent or naive. They were lazy. And they almost always were e-people.

    In the fight against Bullshido, a lot of us here tend to grant way, way too much leeway for those who aren't doing anything glaringly wrong. A lot of posters here refuse to bat an eyebrow unless the person in question is selling ketamine-laced blackbelts to the seven year olds with whom he'ssharing his psychic powers. This is useless. Any person of average intelligence can see the bullshit here. The true danger is going to come from more innocuous, less obvious sources, and to be able to fight bullshit in the martial arts we have to endeavor to be as educated as possible. And education, in this case, doesn't come from compulsively reading news articles on MMA being legalized and subsequently banned in Alaska, or memorizing Matt Thornton speeches, or being willing to call school owners and conduct softball interviews. It comes from ingrained, personal experience and that can only come from hard, consistent training.

    And here's the key issue: If you say "I suck", do something about it. Don't hide under it like an umbrella for three, four, five years. When people use rhetorical shields to defend themselves from what ultimately boils down to laziness--and it is laziness--they're perpetuating a form of Bullshido as dangerous as any other. They perpetuate the idea that half-assed training is acceptable, so long as you're not claiming to be able to shoot chi bolts or whatever lame strawman you'd prefer to use. And that's as bad as any other type of bullshit.
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    #2
    I approve of this.

    Everyone is capable of doing everything and anything. It's just most everyone is too damned lazy to try.

    It's all just a little effort.

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      #3
      I like you

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        #4
        really good. I work hard but know that I am a hobbyist and I am fine with that.

        But sucking is a relative concept.

        I guess I just view anyone who can kick my ass as good. Every time I think I am good...someone comes alone and put me in my place.

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          #5
          I work my ass off. I train many, many hours a week. I spend hours in supplemental training for cardo and strength.

          And you know what?

          I'm not a great fighter AND NEVER WILL BE. I'm not a natural talent; I'm a technician at best. I just like fighting; hitting and getting hit.

          Does acknowledging that then make my training bullshit?
          Monkey Ninjas! Attack!

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            #6
            I think there's a difference between humility or realism and using something like not ultimately intending to be a fighter as a reason to not challenge yourself. There's also a difference between slow, relative improvement that is the best you can do and making no progress because you aren't trying.

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              #7
              And also bullshit personal attacks on people because you aren't getting enough attention.
              Monkey Ninjas! Attack!

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                #8
                Originally posted by JKDChick
                I work my ass off. I train many, many hours a week. I spend hours in supplemental training for cardo and strength.

                And you know what?

                I'm not a great fighter AND NEVER WILL BE. I'm not a natural talent; I'm a technician at best. I just like fighting; hitting and getting hit.

                Does acknowledging that then make my training bullshit?
                How can you do that and not get better?

                My training over the last few months has become very minimal because of starting a business and trying to get that in gear and leveled out.

                I've trained with Omega about 4 times now and each time I do, I come out about 10x better.

                Does your quality of instruction just suck? How can you train but not get better. That just doesn't compute.

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                  #9
                  She didn't say she "never got better" she said she's never going to be "great"

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                    #10
                    Boyd, you are essentially saying that we should be attacking people for being slackers. Why should you, I, or this website as a whole give a shit if someone slacks? They will forever be a white belt, and that's that. It irritates you that they talk about MMA or some shit they saw on youtube? I'd say don't talk to them. Or if you're feeling especially spiteful, remind them it's classtime and that they should worry more about working their guard passing and less about Rich Franklin's nose.

                    Trying to get everyone here to come out with torches and pitchforks to burn people at the stake who've done nothing really wrong -beyond arguably self-sabotage their own training- doesn't really benefit anyone, and muddies the waters of what we're supposed to be fighting against.
                    Knowing is not enough, you must apply...
                    ...Willing is not enough you must do
                    ~Bruce Lee

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                      #11
                      I don't think that's his intent kempofist.

                      Covering up your suckiness with "AT LEAST I ADMIT I SUCK." is as much of an excuse as, "I'll fix the fence tomorrow."

                      It's just more bullshit in the way of getting things done. No, not everyone can be the greatest or the best. But the scapegoat of "At least I admit I suck," is like kung fu apologists or self-loathing whores on spring break, "I ONLY slept with one guy." Whatever their excuse, it doesn't excuse the fact that they still both suck (cock) and it reeks of daddy issues.

                      Apologizing to someone for murdering their pet doesn't make it ok.

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                        #12
                        Originally posted by JohnnyCache
                        She didn't say she "never got better" she said she's never going to be "great"
                        Oops. I'm reading like a mexican today. My bad.

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                          #13
                          Originally posted by Agent.Paranoia
                          I don't think that's his intent kempofist.

                          Covering up your suckiness with "AT LEAST I ADMIT I SUCK." is as much of an excuse as, "I'll fix the fence tomorrow."

                          It's just more bullshit in the way of getting things done. No, not everyone can be the greatest or the best. But the scapegoat of "At least I admit I suck," is like kung fu apologists or self-loathing whores on spring break, "I ONLY slept with one guy." Whatever their excuse, it doesn't excuse the fact that they still both suck (cock) and it reeks of daddy issues.

                          Apologizing to someone for murdering their pet doesn't make it ok.
                          But is admitting you suck an excuse? Perhaps I'm just not getting that part. They are stating accurately that they suck. They aren't making excuses like, "well if this was a REAL fight, then I woulda did x, y, z, and totally killed you and the whole village if I wanted to...really..." They are enjoying training, and being honest in their self assessment.

                          Perhaps they are content at just being a hobbyist or perhaps just really enjoy being able to say that they "do martial arts!" or "do teh BJJ!" without putting in a whole lot of effort (which seems to be Boyd's main issue here from what I've gathered), but at the end of the day, should we really care? Why?
                          Knowing is not enough, you must apply...
                          ...Willing is not enough you must do
                          ~Bruce Lee

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                            #14
                            Originally posted by Bitch
                            And also bullshit personal attacks on people because you aren't getting enough attention.
                            You were a cling-on, not a founder of this site. You smell funny.

                            Originally posted by KempoFisted
                            Boyd, you are essentially saying that we should be attacking people for being slackers. Why should you, I, or this website as a whole give a shit if someone slacks?
                            Because it makes the difference between actually being able to defend yourself or not.

                            But is admitting you suck an excuse?
                            If you say "I suck because I've been training 3 months total" that's fine. If you suck because you are just lazy and will never be any good at anything...then you just suck.

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                              #15
                              Originally posted by Omega's Bitch
                              Because it makes the difference between actually being able to defend yourself or not.
                              Are we are now taking the next step, and instead of mocking people for impractical training practices, we are going to mock people for not excelling at subjective and arbitrarily assigned standards for progression? Do we now need to take a poll on all members to determine what they've trained, for how long, and if they feel they can "defend themselves" ? I don't know if this is a road anyone wants to travel down. Elitism isn't the best bet in garnering positive results from people.


                              If you say "I suck because I've been training 3 months total" that's fine. If you suck because you are just lazy and will never be any good at anything...then you just suck.
                              From what I saw Pizdoff was just saying that he sucks. Pretty clear statement if you ask me. Are we now going to have a thread dedicated to agreeing with him, and mocking him for his candor?
                              Knowing is not enough, you must apply...
                              ...Willing is not enough you must do
                              ~Bruce Lee

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