Guys, Jesus didn't tap.

[Lebell]

You know, you Dutch are a really insensitive lott. For a people who made slave trade their bread and butter, you really never sat down and got to know anything about the human cattle you were hearding now did you?

what slavetrade?
wenever did no slavetrade!

lalalal i cant hear you lalalalal!

[han090]

most christians are clueless about the true teachings of jesus in my book.
im more on the valentinian (valentinus) way, ofcourse considered heretics by teh pope.

nowadays i see all these reborn christians being all happy and shit.
if you truely understand what jesus was saying there's a lot of work to be done if you want to be a christian.

not just going 'omg im so happy jesus died for my sins'

sometimes i meet those reborn fuckers on the street, i see prisontattoos on their hands and by their face i can tell they used to do drugs.

'excuse me sir, do you know jesus?'

'why yes, i saw him in the bar down the road last weekend, he told me to say hi to you'

'well you can mock and make fun but..'

'why dont you shut up man? you're the one mocking jesus here.'


theological discussion ensues, conclusion the dckhead doesnt know a thing about the bible, only thing he knows is 'jesus died for my sins yaay!'

this really happened a couple of years ago.

Just because he used to have prison tattoos (which doesn't actually mean anything really,they're just tattoos), or went to prison, or...did whatever, the bible (new testament at least) has loads of stories of repentance and shit. (the prodigal son springs to mind).

So regardless of what someone did earlier in their life, once they turn their lives to god later, they're fine. But yes, it is more than simply saying "jesus died for my sins yay", there's some kind of living right involved too.


Oh, and is the answer mercury?

[Lebell]

look, i understand what you're saying, but my point is that those reborn dudes dont know anything.
just what they have been 'explained' by some fanatical evangelist.

its not enough to just say: 'dear lord come live in my heart' and poof! one way ticket to heaven.

every religion has its external and internal teachings.
external are for the stupid and the lazy.

thats why the catholic church started out with pictures and statues eventhough its against the commandments.
this way they could reach the masses that couldnt write or read.

like the ox in the christmas thingy....that was cut out for the gauls who needed to be converted, there never was a friggin ox in the whole nativity story.

im pretty sure ox's arent indeginous to the middle-east.

[han090]

look, i understand what you're saying, but my point is that those reborn dudes dont know anything.
just what they have been 'explained' by some fanatical evangelist.

its not enough to just say: 'dear lord come live in my heart' and poof! one way ticket to heaven.

every religion has its external and internal teachings.
external are for the stupid and the lazy.

thats why the catholic church started out with pictures and statues eventhough its against the commandments.
this way they could reach the masses that couldnt write or read.

like the ox in the christmas thingy....that was cut out for the gauls who needed to be converted, there never was a friggin ox in the whole nativity story.

im pretty sure ox's arent indeginous to the middle-east.

Ox in the nativity story? I've never heard of this. Enlighten me!

(also, good point about the statues and whatnot technically being against the commandments,never looked at it that way before)

[Lebell]

Ox in the nativity story? I've never heard of this. Enlighten me!

(also, good point about the statues and whatnot technically being against the commandments)

no my point was it isnt in the nativity story, yet a donkey and an ox etc are portrayed in the nativity scene, you know with the puppets and the nativity plays at elemantary schools.

same with the names of the 3 kings/wisemen, melchior etc. nowhere in the bible are their names mentionned.

[han090]

no my point was it isnt in the nativity story, yet a donkey and an ox etc are portrayed in the nativity scene, you know with the puppets and the nativity plays at elemantary schools.

same with the names of the 3 kings/wisemen, melchior etc. nowhere in the bible are their names mentionned.

Surely an ox is just to create the impression that there were animals in the "barn" with them when jesus was born?

And I always thought they got the names of the 3 wise men from actual kings who reigned at the time, and would have been the most likely culprits (if the story were true).

[Lebell]

1>Surely an ox is just to create the impression that there were animals in the "barn" with them when jesus was born?

2>And I always thought they got the names of the 3 wise men from actual kings who reigned at the time, and would have been the most likely culprits (if the story were true).

1> There is a theory that the ox and other animals and stuff were added to the picture so the newly converted gauls and nordics could more easily relate to the story.

like celtic christianity (pelagius etc) incorporated celtic icelandic stories and edited out heathen aspects and incorporated appearances of saints etc.
(king arthur, quest for the grail)

there's something to say for this theory since they've done it with saint nicholas and christmas (xmas in december was a germanic feast, thats where the tree comes from, back in rome the date 25,26th was the day of Mithras cult)
same goes for halloween, a celtic day on which they believed the shroud between the worlds dropped and ancestors could be contacted, dressed up to chase off demons who could also come into our realm during that period)

same goes with easter, incorporated germanic/celtic virility festivals like imbolc and beltane.
thats where the easterbunny comes from.
a hare stould for virility.

2>not as far as i know, it wasmade up later on, like for example the whole gospel of john.

[EmetShamash]

Damn this got long fast, I can't believe this bullshit sparked such a huge thread.

[tharuz]

Well, Christianity IS one of the greatest orchestrated troll-jobs of all time.

You got the Bible as law, the churches, politics, threat of going to hell, supressed sexuallity, hate mongering, interpretations, schisms, etc. etc. etc.

[Tonuzaba]

Well, Christianity IS one of the greatest orchestrated troll-jobs of all time.

You got the Bible as law, the churches, politics, threat of going to hell, supressed sexuallity, hate mongering, interpretations, schisms, etc. etc. etc.

Too bad it isn't copyrighted.

L. Ron > Jesus

[DerAuslander]

This thread sucks now.

[Tonuzaba]

This thread sucks now.

Better?

[Lebell]

seriously, how can she not fall?
that photo must be fake.

[DerAuslander]

much.

[Gbemi]

seriously, how can she not fall?
that photo must be fake.

Leave it to your stupid laws of physics to ruin the mystique behind my new wallpaper.