Guys, Jesus didn't tap.

[Marc Spector]

Incidentally, what does "Jesus didn't tap" actually mean? Seriously. The aphorism seems to suggest that one shouldn't tap, but what is gained from that. And how did Jesus not tap; in what situation was he in that some metaphorical tapping could have occurred?

As a slogan, it seems rather silly and empty to me. What is the idea expressed in the slogan?

It's just one of those dorky bandwagon slogans pitched to inactive fans who don't realize that the only people who don't tap are people who don't train.

[DerAuslander]

Or the limbless...

[Kung-Fu Joe]

WHERE IS THE PASTOR?
WHERE IS THE PASTOR?
WHERE IS THE PASTOR?
WHERE IS THE PASTOR?

I'm no pastor, but I consider myself something of an amateur Christian apologist, so I'll take a crack at your complaints.

This is the problem with people they don't have the perseverance to last through a debate nor can they intelligently present their point of view.

This is one point I can agree with. Too many people-- Christian and non-Christian alike-- like to start in on verbal fights at the first sign of offense, without having the tools to back it up. Kind of like when a Chunner picks a fight with the guy in the bar talking about his latest sub grappling wins.

When a person picks a fight they aren't equipped to win, I don't feel bad for them when they lose.

While I sit here reading the post associated with this thread it comes to my attention that not many here believe in the written word of the Bible. Which to be honest is a good thing. It means that many of us are intelligent enough to understand the base fact of what makes the Bible wrong. It was written by man and man is flawed.

Unfortunately, this argument breaks down in the eyes of a Christian, who would argue that the Bible was written under the divine guidance, and direct intercession, of God.

Obviously, if one approaches this argument from the point of view that there is no such thing as a sentient, omnipotent being which oversees all reality, that person is going to align themselves with the view you've posted. However, since you cannot prove that God had no influence on the Bible any more than a Christian can prove that He did, your argument falls to one of opinion rather than logic and evidence.

While we are a nation founded on religious freedom. We are not a nation of religious freedom. Many are condemned and ostracized due to their religion still to this day. Hell the KKK went after Catholics and Jews as well as blacks in the beginning. People still come to your door to get you to convert to their religion.

This is preposterous.

The very existence of organizations like the KKK proves that we ARE a nation of religious freedom. We are free to practice any religious beliefs we like, regardless of whether those beliefs are considered to be hate-filled or wrong by even a majority of the rest of the nation.

Don't confuse the parts for the whole. The KKK is not the United States of America any more than a cancerous tumor is a person. Just because it's in the body doesn't make it representative of the whole.

Many of us who can think for ourselves are looked down upon because we do not attend services.

...just as many of us who can think for ourselves are looked down upon because we do attend services.

Prejudice and injustice abound on both sides of the equation. You're certainly not alone in feeling "looked down upon" for your beliefs. Try being a Born-Again Christian attending an engineering college in the northeast, sometime.

We debate nonsensical matters such as if He lets evil exist or why doesn't He stop it. We are given tales of wonder and suspense to help guide us through trying times. My personally most hateful statement you can say to someone after a tragedy "It was God's will". This nearly causes my head to explode every time I here it. Truth of the matter is that God is what you make of it.

That's funny, because hearing the buzz-phrase, "God is what you make of it," tends to give me some massive headaches, too.

Saying, "It was God's will," to a person who doesn't believe certainly sounds hateful. The person saying it might not intend to be hateful, but the person hearing it doesn't understand that intention, nor do they understand why a God that is supposed to be loving would will a tragedy upon them. However, to a person who does have faith, the reaffirmation that God has a plan, and that everything fits into that plan, is one of the most loving and hopeful things they can hear.

It's simply a matter of culture differences.

God, Alla, Budda, the Great Spirit, Brahma, Zeus, Odin, Jupiter, Ra or Jesus is the personification of what man would like to be. A great and powerful being that can manipulate and control the world at his whims. Every culture has a supreme being that they think is the bee knees. In all actuality it is what that culture perceives as greatness. We all believe that if we could wield the power of the almighty we could make the world a great place. That being said if God was like that then the world would be a great place. Sadly he is not. God is just the gather conscience of a culture and the need for that group to be thought of as better people. It's wrapped in mysticism and tradition with a touch of dogma.

Well, you've managed to sum up post-modernist philosophy pretty quickly. Unfortunately, it betrays a vast misunderstanding of theistic faiths, but then again, few post-modernists even try to understand theism. So I guess I can't blame you.

In the Christian concept of God, the idea of His omnipotence is incidental. That's just what God is, not why He's worshipped-- which seems to be the confusing part for non-believers. Many people think Christianity is about nothing more than trying to get on God's good side so that you don't go to Hell. Even a lot of people that profess themselves to be Christians fall prey to this misconception. However, that's a very immature type of faith.

When a child is young, he does what his parents tell him because he fears punishment. As he grows older, he begins to do what his parents tell him because he knows its the right thing to do, and he loves them. Christians see Faith in much the same way-- a lot of people start out just trying to avoid Hell, but as they mature in their faith, they realize that there's much more to it than that.

I believe in a God that is not a being but an idea. He is not worshiped nor praised. He is not blamed for misfortune nor celebrated for victories. He is not a voice in my head but an essence of the universe. He has no powers. He has no thought. He is just there and is the binding force of all things.

Doesn't sound like much of a God to me. Why even try to add any sort of religious tinge by using the term "God" if what you're talking about has nothing special about it, nothing worth raising up over the lesser things in existence?

Don't be so wishy-washy: if you don't believe in a theistic view, then just come out and say so. It is entirely disingenuous to claim that you believe in a God, but then try to completely redefine the concept of theism to fit your purpose. That's no different than a person saying, "I am an Atheist, but I believe that the universe is controlled by a sentient, omnipotent consciousness."

I have plenty of friends who are completely Atheist. Some retain a sense of Spirituality, and believe that there is a connective essence which binds all things together. Others have eschewed Spirituality entirely, focusing only on what can be observed and reproduced for others. They don't have to pretend that there's a God just so they can try to force everyone else's views to fit into their mold.


Next time you start on a tirade about how Christians aren't free-thinkers, you might try something other than regurgitating post-modernist theory. Comes off kind of hypocritical, don't you think?

--Joe

[Demon Eyes]

This just brings up the argument: "Who would win in a fight? Jesus? Or Fedor?"
Jesus does have the holy faith behind him, but Fedor has that cyborg intention to kill. My money is on Fedor via Satan shitting himself. Cause who else is Fedor going to fight after Jesus?

[Coach Josh]

Great points Joe. I do try to understand religion and do not scoff at those who are believers and practice in accordance with their beliefs. That would make me a hypocrite which is the worst of all evils, IMO. Yes the thoughts I have posted are very very broad strokes.

I have these recurring discussions with 2 people who I have known for sometime. One a Catholic priest, a childhood friend, and my family's pastor, a Methodist. Both are very intelligent and thought provoking people. These discussions generally end in the same statement "You just have to have faith.". Ironically when I discuss my views with them they are the most understanding and less offended.

As far as the existence of a supreme being and his role, this is where it always gets muddled. While I believe there is something bigger than me I can't believe it has a plan for me/us. That's the trap I fall in. This also leads me to this question about religion. Which religion is right?

I misspoke saying we are not a nation of religious freedom. I should say we are not a nation of religious understanding. Meaning for the most part people are not very tolerant nor understanding of others religion.

The surest way to lose friends is to discuss religion and politics. With both in full swing now its hard not to do. I would also like to apologize if this offended anyone. While it was not written to be offensive it could offend people of opposing beliefs.

[DerAuslander]

This thread is no longer funny.

Thanks fuckers.

Jesus wept.

[Lebell]

i take offence of this christian bashing, im very dissapointed in all of you, and like the Good Lord once said: 'ha-ha! you're going to burn in hell!'

so ill leave you with that to think about.

[Kyduh]

My coach just e-mailed me this
"According to CBJJ rules, any exclamation of pain or suffering while in
a submission position signifies the tap.
So, when Jesus said, "My God why have you forsaken me", I would
interpret that as a submission."

[TEA]

My coach just e-mailed me this
"According to CBJJ rules, any exclamation of pain or suffering while in
a submission position signifies the tap.
So, when Jesus said, "My God why have you forsaken me", I would
interpret that as a submission."

PointShinyBurn beat you to it. http://www.bullshido.net/forums/show...&postcount=177

I actually think that is less of a verbal tap than it is Jesus bitching at his corner for not throwing in the towel. :XXhippylo

[Squerlli]

PointShinyBurn beat you to it. http://www.bullshido.net/forums/show...&postcount=177

I actually think that is less of a verbal tap than it is Jesus bitching at his corner for not throwing in the towel. :XXhippylo

Moral: Never get a jew as your corner man.

Thread 0v3r.

[Kyduh]

Moral: Never get a jew as your corner man.
Thread 0v3r.

GOD IS A JEW!?! :new_cussi

[Lebell]

enough of this religious intolerance.
intolerance is very bad, unless its directed against muslims ofcourse.

or jews.

or buddhists.

or mormones.

or catholics.

or protestants.

or jains.

or hindus.

[Demon Eyes]

YouTube - Life Of Brian - ALways Look On The Bright Side Of Life!

[PointyShinyBurn]

GOD IS A JEW!?! :new_cussi

Damn straight. That's why he lets us have the pick of your women.

[Demon Eyes]

Or, maybe this is better suited for the thread.
YouTube - The Passion in 5 seconds