Wing Chun? hard style. Wing Tsun? softer than Aikido. Flipside? practically limp.

[Vince Tortelli]

Vince do you ever have an original thought?

Why no, Captain Asshat. Like you, I'm such a fucktard that I blindy accept anything anyone tells me, because why on Earth would someone lie. Moron.

(How's that MK?)

[kwoww]

Ok, I've got 100$ that says you can't punch me in the sternum, full force, and make me go down.
I've been KICKED full force in the chest before by some pretty hefty folk and it hasn't resulted in any damage. The ONLY time I have ever seen anyone damage their sternum was some of the guys I knew who were wannabe powerlifters who seperated their sternum overloading the benchpress and being stupid. But I don't think your punch is going to generate 350lbs of lateral force, so I'm not worried.

To the best of my knowledge and so far as my research can determine there has never been an instance of a persons sternum being cracked by a punch. Every instance I could find recorded was from a car accident or building collapse.

So, where are you located? I'll see when I'm going to be travelling to your area to pick up my free 100$.

Sternums are fucking hard, yes, and they're not a good target, and you definitely can't drop someone from a regular punch to it, but the point is you still don't want to risk screwing it up.

Even a cracked sternum isn't a one-hit-drop move. Cracked does not mean shattered and it'll hurt like hell, but even if you manage to crack it an attacker might not go down.

Best not to worry about one-hit-drop techniques at all. But if you want to, very few people have strong obliques so hooks to the side (kidney, liver, spleen, etc.) are a good bet.

[Southpaw]

Technically wing chun has three centerlines, and different theories behind each one.

Unfortunately knowing a theory doesn't make you a better fighter.

[Tom Kagan]

Technically wing chun has three centerlines, and different theories behind each one.

Treat "center" and "line" as verbs (movement) and not nouns (shapes) and you can shitcan at least two of them - maybe even all three.

[EternalRage]

Takes a shitload of force to break a sternum. The costal cartilage alone provides enough give to absorb alot. Trust me I know, since I actually cut through and removed the anterior portion of a human ribcage a couple weeks ago in anatomy lab (held it again today to look at internal thoracic vessels)

If you really want me to, I could chain punch it tomorrow and see what happens. I'll even let my lab partner hold it like a wooden board.

[Virus]

That would be a fucking hilarious video. But the chummers would all say that it's not the real sternum.

[Tonuzaba]

That would be a fucking hilarious video. But the chummers would all say that it's not the real sternum.

Howard Sternum's got the real one anyhow...

[Kamon Guy]

To the best of my knowledge and so far as my research can determine there has never been an instance of a persons sternum being cracked by a punch. Every instance I could find recorded was from a car accident or building collapse..

Your research is limited. PM me, and I will give you the email address of one of my students who was out of training for weeks due to a cracked sternum at the hands of an over zealous student. The other student no longer trains with me as he has moved out of the area and trains in karate rather than wing chun

So, where are you located? I'll see when I'm going to be travelling to your area to pick up my free 100$.

London. Please come down.

[It is Fake]

Your research is limited. PM me, and I will give you the email address of one of my students who was out of training for weeks due to a cracked sternum at the hands of an over zealous student. The other student no longer trains with me as he has moved out of the area and trains in karate rather than wing chun


London. Please come down.

What was the context of the broken sternum?

[illegalusername]

What was the context of the broken sternum?

CENTERLINE
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[FickleFingerOfFate]

CENTERLINE
PUNCCCCCCCCCCCH

....by automotive airbag...:car9:

[It is Fake]

I'm curious.


Notice how he is refusing to answer. I've asked for the context of the broken sternum earlier.

[Kung-Fu Joe]

Your research is limited. PM me, and I will give you the email address of one of my students who was out of training for weeks due to a cracked sternum at the hands of an over zealous student. The other student no longer trains with me as he has moved out of the area and trains in karate rather than wing chun

I'll agree that I've heard of more instances than just car crashes and building collapses for a cracked sternum, but I've still never seen a documented case of fracture from a punch.

Most of the time, when I think of a cracked sternum, I think of my first aid training. Cracked sternums were one of the side-effects we were warned about while performing CPR. Too great a pressure while performing the chest pumps could result in fracture.

However, a two handed technique which causes a relatively slow compression of the chest between the weight of the EMT and the ground beneath the recipient differs SIGNIFICANTLY from the mechanics of a single-handed punch. There'd have to be a HELL of a lot of force behind that punch to create such an effect.

According to this article at eMedicine the vast majority of sternal fracture is caused by motor vehicle collisions. It does list direct contact sports and assaults amongst the list of other possible causes, however it does not expound upon the circumstances or specifics of these. I'd take an educated guess and assume that Football is the prime sport of concern, in the case of direct contact sports, as opposed to the martial arts. Additionally, in the case of assaults, it is quite likely that sternal fractures arrising from such situations involve either weaponry or assaulting a downed opponent, more often than not.

I would guess that fractures of the sternum caused by a standing punch are exceedingly rare, and even more rare amongst conditioned fighters.


--Joe

[Kamon Guy]

What was the context of the broken sternum?

Reason I didn't answer, is that I am unsure what you are asking and couldn't be assed to get into yet another argument with you

If you are asking what happened I did mention it earlier. We were practising a circle step with punch. The idea of the drill is to keep up with the opponents movements
Yet one of my over zealous students took it to mean it was a free hit on his partner and punched his partner very hard in the chest
He dropped (like you'd do if you were winded) and I seperated them out

Later that weekend I then got a phonecall from the student telling me he had gone to hospital as the punch had cracked his sternum

When we do a lot of drills involving punching to chest, even me being a big guy will often get bruised by someone half my size.

There are of course many circumstances where a punch to the chest will not be as effective as one would like
This may be because
a) the person hasn't trained his punches to hit deep enough (ie glancing blows)
b) the person recieving the punch is a monster and/or he is bigger/taller than the opponent
c) the person has trained to take punches there

I think you guys are thinking of two guys fighting with gloves on.
I am not

I am not saying you will drop someone every time if you hit the centre line - that is a ridiculous assumption to make. But the centre line is where your opponent will be less able to ride punches, and where most of the vital organs are.

I know a lot of people hate wing chun - fair enough. It has many bad points and I am not so arrogant as to know every wing chun school out there and your experiences of them

All I would say to people is that a lot of schools train differently and teach differently and it is always worth checking things out before general statements are made

My friend has trained shotokhan karate for 9 years but I grabbed him and he couldn't do anything. Yet I would not say that shotokhan is crap based on that one experience

[It is Fake]

What is the context?

Compliant drill.

When we do a lot of drills involving punching to chest, even me being a big guy will often get bruised by someone half my size.

Exactly what I thought.


tl:dr.