Wing Chun? hard style. Wing Tsun? softer than Aikido. Flipside? practically limp.

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With how centerline theory is described, adhering strictly to wing chun principles is probably tricky when the EBMAS people add in escrima, where its prefectly acceptable to attack the hand, shoulder etc.

[It is Fake]

See, the difference is you keep making up statements for me.

You said kidney shots may hurt but wont stop a guy.
You named all these strikes that are better than a kidney strike implying they are ineffective.

All I did was list your examples.

Hmm still failing at quoting me saying a strike is ineffective if it doesn't drop someone.

Oh and the only one listing examples of drop vs not drop strikes is you.

[M1K3]

JUDOOO CHOOOPPPP!

Vince, getting involved in this is about as useful as howling at the moon. You can't win and half the time I'm not even sure what they are talking about. I go with the Tank Abbot/George Forman skill of hitting.

1. Be Big (I'm 6'1'' 240 lbs)
2. Hit hard ( I think I do this)
3. Repeat step 2 as necessary.

I don't worry about what kind of punch I throw or where it lands. Just keep doing steps 2 and 3.

[It is Fake]

Vince, getting involved in this is about as useful as howling at the moon. You can't win and half the time I'm not even sure what they are talking about. I go with the Tank Abbot/George Forman skill of hitting.

1. Be Big (I'm 6'1'' 240 lbs)
2. Hit hard ( I think I do this)
3. Repeat step 2 as necessary.

I don't worry about what kind of punch I throw or where it lands. Just keep doing steps 2 and 3.

Exactly.

See, all I did was disprove his people keep fighting after rib and kidney shots.

Like I asked him where did I say a kidney shot is superior to any other strike?

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Maybe I learned to box differently than the rest of you, but since when can you hit each other in the kidneys in boxing?

[Kamon Guy]

Exactly.

See, all I did was disprove his people keep fighting after rib and kidney shots.

Like I asked him where did I say a kidney shot is superior to any other strike?

Okay, here we go....

My point was that if you are in a clinch and you do one kidney shot you don't drop
In your video, the guys do numerous body shots, numerous face shots and then at last they drop
Wonder why?
Secondly, your guys in the vids weren't striking from a clinch before he went down (ie the target was centre line)

You stated, quite clearly that I had said kidney punches were ineffective. Re- read your posts - I'm not wiping your ass for you

To back this up, you posted my quote of 'a kidney shot will not drop someone'
Your logic therefore is that if you do not drop someone, your punch is ineffective

[Flipside]

From my experience in WT, it is not primarily about hitting the opponent on the centerline, but defending your own center line an hitting in a straight line, because it is the shortest distance. We also hit the kidney or the back of the neck for example, if you are able to so from the position you have in relation to the opponents position.
About the softness, if you make contact with you opponent when you are relaxed, but with enough pressure, you can feel the direction of the opponent, and react in function of that. If you make contact (while blocking) when you're hard/stiff, you can feel less of his intention and react slower.
My teacher used to be a boxer, and we also practice on boxing speed and combinations. The Wing Tsjun sifu of Belgium (Jan Van Den Borne) is trained in 10+ styles (3th technician Wing Tjun, black belt Aiki-Jutsu and Pancrase Freefighting, trained until instructor livel in Doce Pares Eskrima, Cinco Terro Eskrima Kali Sikaran and Inayan Eskrima; instructor qualification for kickboxing and has many years of experience in Aikido, Ju-Jutsu and Karoti Shinto Ryu, brazilian jiu-jutsu etc.) and is undefeated in the all-style combat tournaments in which he has participated. He also points alot to how different styles handle certain situations, and how to deal with it. Still he is no match for someone like Thommy Boehlig (5th master degree). I honestly never saw a better fighter (bare handed) than Boehlig. And I don't think there are many who want to challenge him. (If you would want to: Langenfeld academy, Kronprinzstr. 90a, 40764 Langenfeld, Germany)

[It is Fake]

Maybe I learned to box differently than the rest of you, but since when can you hit each other in the kidneys in boxing?

Well, it is/was illegal in boxing.

Are you telling me your coached never taught you rabbit punches?

[Kintanon]

So if you go up to an average guy on the street and punch him in the heart, it won't affect him at all? Okay. Trained martial artists are different, but I know of two students who have cracked sternums from someone punching them. One was in Kamon and one was during karate

Yes, If you punch a normal, healthy individual square in the sternum as hard as you can you are more likely to mess up your hand than incapacitate that person. The sternum is a VERY strong, well reinforced structure designed specifically to protect the heart. While there are a few recorded instances of people inducing heart attacks via chest strikes these are fluke instances and not to be relied upon for self defense.

[It is Fake]

Go to a TD a prove all these theories.
Ill be looking for your videos at the April TD.

[Vince Tortelli]

. Still he is no match for someone like Thommy Boehlig (5th master degree). I honestly never saw a better fighter (bare handed) than Boehlig. And I don't think there are many who want to challenge him. (If you would want to: Langenfeld academy, Kronprinzstr. 90a, 40764 Langenfeld, Germany)

If this guy is such a monster why isn't he competing in UFC/K1/Abu Dhabi etc. instead of running a school?

Also, Pancrase Freefighting? All style combat tournaments? I am having serious doubts as to the validity of all this. Proof plz?

[It is Fake]

To back this up, you posted my quote of 'a kidney shot will not drop someone'

I also posted where you said peole continue fighting after rib and kidney shots.

Your logic therefore is that if you do not drop someone, your punch is ineffective

Nope, all I said was a kidney punch is effective. I never commented on any of the other strikes you named.

You are the only one espousing one drop hits except for rib and kidney shots.

[Kintanon]

I'm still have a hard time coming to grips with the practicality of intentionally aiming to punch someone in the best defended section of their body (The front) as opposed to the less protected sides. Especially around the lower rib area where the abdominal muscles protect the front of the body but very little supports the sides. Everything I ever learned about centerline theory was about controlling the way your opponents strikes came in. Attempting to create false openings in your guard so that you knew where your opponent would be attacking. Not trying to pummel them in the chest and abs like a retard.

[It is Fake]

You win kinaton that is what I'm driving at. That is my problem, I just feel like arguing.

[Kamon Guy]

Yes, If you punch a normal, healthy individual square in the sternum as hard as you can you are more likely to mess up your hand than incapacitate that person. The sternum is a VERY strong, well reinforced structure designed specifically to protect the heart. While there are a few recorded instances of people inducing heart attacks via chest strikes these are fluke instances and not to be relied upon for self defense.

You're an idiot.
I know two people who have cracked their sternum during training from just one punch

The chest is probably one of the toughest areas in the body, but do you really think that if Tank Abbot or Chuck Liddell hit someone like Jim Carrey in the chest, it would do nothing?

you are thinking of conditioned fighters who are fighting each other in a tough environment who have built their chest up.

If you think that a punch to the chest will mess up your hand, you need more training