Wing Chun? hard style. Wing Tsun? softer than Aikido. Flipside? practically limp.

[M1K3]

Did anyone say that if you don't hit the centreline you fail at striking?
I never mentioned that an armbar or hook was ineffective - quite the opposite. The point about using a centre line was that most of the major organs are down the centre line - brain, heart, stomach, etc and therefore if you hit them, you will
a)knock your opponent out
b)cause damage to the heart
c)wind someone

These effects will cause most people to drop instantly and the fight to be over

IIF said I failed, your just trying to make me feel better, but it won't work!

*locks self in bedroom and starts to cry*

[Kamon Guy]

I don't have to quote you every time, remember what you wrote. You were the only one saying that kidney punches aren't as dangerous as other strikes.

Now you are applying your version of a clinch to encompass the entire range. The clinch that allows you to knock someone out with a punch to the face, provides the same room to knock someone down with a kidney shot.

Nope. I always said a side punch to the kidneys from a clinch. And I actually made the point of saying that if you turned (slipped a punch etc) then a kidney strike is effective.

I never said a straight punch from a clinch - that was just an example to give people a picture of the kind of strike I was talking about.

If I am in a clinch, an elbow or fut sao chop to the throat is much more devastating

[It is Fake]

I never said kidney punches are ineffective.

Yes they do. If I am facing you and go for a punch to my kidneys, it would involve a badly positioned punch. If you think about boxers in a clinch. They tend to hit each other other in the ribs and kidneys, and whilst I know they have gloves on, these shots do not bring a person down.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iHQPtG7M1cE

Whereas a direct strike to the neck can drop a guy. A punch to the face/nose can drop a guy. A punch to the solar plexus (forgive spelling) can drop a guy.

A side punch to the kidneys might cause pain, but people will carry on fighting from there

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-ogtRYUzMb4



Oh BTW,
Yes, you really did.

[Kamon Guy]

Ok, if you think chest punching someone is going to drop them then you have clearly never been hit.

So if you go up to an average guy on the street and punch him in the heart, it won't affect him at all? Okay. Trained martial artists are different, but I know of two students who have cracked sternums from someone punching them. One was in Kamon and one was during karate

[Kamon Guy]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iHQPtG7M1cE





Oh BTW,
Yes, you really did.

so just because a punch doesn't drop a guy, it is ineffective? So every punch that you do drops a guy? Or are you an ineffective hitter?

[It is Fake]

Of course we have crossed into semantics so

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0sBHcYCI85Q

Damn look at all those HOOKS.

[It is Fake]

so just because a punch doesn't drop a guy, it is ineffective? So every punch that you do drops a guy? Or are you an ineffective hitter?

Bwahahahahahahahahahaha where did I say that?

You are the one educating people on teh deadly neck chops being fight enders.
You are the one telling us people continue fighting after rib and kidney shots.
You are the one telling us hooks are wasted energy.


Yet, I said every thing I do is effective?

Bwahahahahahahaha.

[Kamon Guy]

Of course we have crossed into semantics so

Damn look at all those HOOKS.

I'm not sure what you are trying to say? I advocate hooks.
The point we are talking about is centre line. Every boxer in that clip is hitting the centre line of his opponent.

If you are discussing economy of motion, where wing chunners argue that hooks use less energy than a straight punch, then your post has some meaning

[It is Fake]

I'm not sure what you are trying to say? I advocate hooks.
The point we are talking about is centre line. Every boxer in that clip is hitting the centre line of his opponent.

If you are discussing economy of motion, where wing chunners argue that hooks use less energy than a straight punch, then your post has some meaning

Oh now centerline theory encompasses hooks?

Wow you win. I guess quantum physics is next. I've already been down this road.

[Permalost]

Have a look at the guys in the UFC. How many times has someone been taken out by a hit to the ribs? Compare that to how many times they have been taken out from a strike to the face

I'm going to assume we're talking about standup, since the ground acts as an anvil to change the dynamics of strikes. Anyway, not a lot of fighters are put down by shots to the face. The temples and jaw yes, but not the face. The last UFC fight I saw decided by a face punck was when Koji Kitao fought some Korean stylist, and Kitao was a sumo wrestler not accustomed to striking

[Kamon Guy]

Oh now centerline theory encompasses hooks?

Wow you win. I guess quantum physics is next. I've already been down this road.

Centre line is about the target, not how you hit the target.
If I am square on to my opponent, his chest (for example) is in his centre line. Therefore, if I hit it with a hook, a knee , uppercut, you are still obeying the centre line principle
If you hit the shoulder, you are not obeying it

[Permalost]

Any kind of strike there will hurt and might take you out of a fight, but my point was that if you offer a martial artist the choice between a kick to their opponents ribs or a free shot at their face, they will take the shot to the face. Unless they can't hit for shit.

This equation does not apply to Omega's anatomical structure.

[Kamon Guy]

Bwahahahahahahahahahaha where did I say that?

You are the one educating people on teh deadly neck chops being fight enders.
You are the one telling us people continue fighting after rib and kidney shots.
You are the one telling us hooks are wasted energy.


Yet, I said every thing I do is effective?

Bwahahahahahahaha.

Look at your video - how many shots are there to the kidneys, ribs and side of the body before the person drops (it isn't even clear, what he dropped from)
Never said hooks are wasted energy, just that straight punches use less energy.
And as for neck chops, come down to my class and I'll chop you in the neck and we shall see if you are still standing.

You claimed that I said that kidney punches are ineffective. Your evidence for this was because I said that a kidney punch wouldn't drop a guy

Therefore, you must be suggesting that if a punch doesn't drop a guy, it must be ineffective

[Vince Tortelli]

JUDOOO CHOOOPPPP!

[It is Fake]

Centre line is about the target, not how you hit the target.
If I am square on to my opponent, his chest (for example) is in his centre line. Therefore, if I hit it with a hook, a knee , uppercut, you are still obeying the centre line principle
If you hit the shoulder, you are not obeying it

Look if you don't realize the flaw in this line of reasoning wow.

This is why it will always be a theory.