Wing Chun? hard style. Wing Tsun? softer than Aikido. Flipside? practically limp.

[Tom Kagan]

Whats sparring anyway?

Sparring is a significant component of the learning process used by the MT gentleman who broke your ribs and otherwise owned you.

[Dr._Tzun_Tzu]

o, that stuff.

[namaste]

isn't it easier to just say CHUNNERS LOL URUGUAY and be done with it?

none of them will ever turn up to a challenge or a throwdown to learn there ass some teachin's, it'll just go round and round on the internet FOREVERS!!!

ooh we dont need to spar wing chun for teh street chain punchy blah blah no no thats wrong you need to spar no we dont yes you do no we dont.

until someones head explodes.

[Amp]

Whats sparring anyway?

Actually fighting full-contact where you just don't kill the other guy; IE if you're gonna throw a combo and all the hits connect, you stop right before you KO your opponent. usually @ 80-90%, sometimes 100% power.

[Kamon Guy]

none of them will ever turn up to a challenge or a throwdown to learn there ass some teachin's, it'll just go round and round on the internet FOREVERS!!!
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I don't think that is any proof of an art. I accepted five challenges last year, turned up to all of them, beat the guys and still they winge.

A fight, challenge or throwdown proves very little - there is always someone better out there, no matter how good you think you are.

[Kintanon]

Video or it didn't happen.

Challenges will at the very minimum demonstrate your techniques under pressure against a fully resisting opponent. That's the ONLY way to truly evaluate an art.

[RunningDog]

I don't think that is any proof of an art. I accepted five challenges last year, turned up to all of them, beat the guys and still they winge.

A fight, challenge or throwdown proves very little - there is always someone better out there, no matter how good you think you are.

Bullshido throwdowns are not gong sao. They are sparring and training meetings. To be honest I'm not sure you'd fit in as all you seem interested in doing is chainpunching people to death, preferrably if they're half your size (which is most people).


Question:
In your "challenge matches", did any of their heads actually come off when you punched them, as you stipulated earlier in the thread?

[Kamon Guy]

Bullshido throwdowns are not gong sao. They are sparring and training meetings. To be honest I'm not sure you'd fit in as all you seem interested in doing is chainpunching people to death, preferrably if they're half your size (which is most people).

First off, I hate chain punching. I train it because it builds up speed and is a good warm up drill. I think I have used it twice in real fights and it didn't really work as effectively as other strikes in my arsenal
Secondly I am not a bully and enjoy the training, not the victory.

Question:
In your "challenge matches", did any of their heads actually come off when you punched them, as you stipulated earlier in the thread?

In the instances where I used wing chun I have seriously injured those I was fighting.
I smashed a persons jaw up, took someone out by using a fut sao

But no, heads did not come off. They exploded instead

[RunningDog]

Secondly I am not a bully and enjoy the training, not the victory.

What you enjoy, by your own admission (and making a major assumption that it's not total bullshit), is beating up strangers who are smaller than you. Which makes you an aggressive bully, whether that reflects in your self-image or not is moot.

You clearly have a problem. I suggest you have the wrong hobby. Why not try some meditation instead? Or maybe swimming? You'd have the advantage of being able to float at least.

[Kamon Guy]

What you enjoy, by your own admission (and making a major assumption that it's not total bullshit), is beating up strangers who are smaller than you. Which makes you an aggressive bully, whether that reflects in your self-image or not is moot..

i have no idea where you got this from. Fights can be very healthy for your martial arts experience, but I don't go looking for fights. If a person comes up to me in a club and starts trouble whether they are big or small.
In my experience, a bully does not have to be a big guy beating up a small guy - I have been beaten plenty by smaller guys. Bigger guys tend to be easier to fight
I don't care about my self image - its not like any of you guys like each other anyway!!

You clearly have a problem. I suggest you have the wrong hobby. Why not try some meditation instead? Or maybe swimming? You'd have the advantage of being able to float at least.

Meditation. I am beginning to understand what kidn of martial artist you are
As for swimming - Me in swimming trunks is not a pretty sight and secondly if I jumped in the pool, there would be no water left

[Tom .C]

I think the general rule is that after twenty minutes, it's not a snappy comeback.

[ShrekBJJ]

Especially not when it's actually 12 hours 20 minutes.

[bobyclumsyninja]

There are little guys doing chun in backyards all over the world who will kick your bony girl thin armed asses just because they are aggressive and will come in with shit loads of straight punches.

No there aren't, and no they won't. coming in with shit loads of straight punches is bollocks...otherwise all boxing/kickboxing/vale tudo/mma etc would be is straight punching.
I only wish my sparring partners would do that for me....

Doing nothing but pumping the arms with the lats, on flat feet...is the fastest way to get tackled...there is no other more efficient way to expose the chin, and provide an array of options for an attacker.

And whoever said adherence to propper WC form renders sparring useless....should consider: free sparring is one step from fighting...if WC can't approach that, what the hell is it going to do in actual free fighting???? (the answer is get tackled)

[RunningDog]

i have no idea where you got this from. Fights can be very healthy for your martial arts experience, but I don't go looking for fights. If a person comes up to me in a club and starts trouble whether they are big or small.

Where did I get it from? Read your own posts.

See here's the thing. Some people go out plenty, and manage to never get into any fights whatsoever. Other people get into lots of fights. Wierdly, the people who get into lots of fights all share the bizarre delusion that they never start trouble, and that trouble always comes looking for them.
This is utter balls. If you get into lots of fights, it's your own fucking fault, end of story. And don't try to tell me people start it because you're 450lbs or whatever. Plenty of fatties manage to go out, have a few drinks and come home, all without punching one single person.
I suggest you think long and hard about the way you use body language and eye contact when you're out and about, because one of these days you'll get yourself stabbed.

[Kung-Fu Joe]

And whoever said adherence to propper WC form renders sparring useless....should consider: free sparring is one step from fighting...if WC can't approach that, what the hell is it going to do in actual free fighting???? (the answer is get tackled)

...even without bringing grappling into the equation, it doesn't require a genius to slip his opponent when every single punch follows the exact same line of attack. Slip, cross, hook. Three movements to do more damage than the ten chainpunches that the Chunner throws. Which of these truly displays a greater economy of motion?

--Joe