What is a "delivery system" and how is it used.

[M1K3]

[FickleFingerOfFate]

This is a Delivery System:







This is an Old practical joke that some people are still falling for:

[Sophist]

A delivery system is a methodology to develop attributes and skills for a particular endeavor. An MMA delivery system develops MMA fighters, a wrestling delivery system develops wrestlers, a chess delivery systems develops chess players and so on.

No, this is not the way the phrase "delivery system" is usually used, and it's hard to conceive of it making sense in that context. You're talking about some kind of assembly line training system. A "delivery system" in the way Matt Thornton uses it refers to the way an art goes about attaining a certain goal. For example, judo would begin with kumikata (gripping strategy) then move on to kuzushi (unbalancing) and tai sabaki (moving the body into position to execute the throw) and finish with nage (throwing). The goal is a successful throw, the delivery system the steps leading up to it.

[M1K3]

No, this is not the way the phrase "delivery system" is usually used, and it's hard to conceive of it making sense in that context. You're talking about some kind of assembly line training system. A "delivery system" in the way Matt Thornton uses it refers to the way an art goes about attaining a certain goal. For example, judo would begin with kumikata (gripping strategy) then move on to kuzushi (unbalancing) and tai sabaki (moving the body into position to execute the throw) and finish with nage (throwing). The goal is a successful throw, the delivery system the steps leading up to it.

I thought that is what I said, what you have defined is the methodoly for training a throw. Judo has its own delivery system (methodolgy) for training attributes and skills use in a throw for example. I think we are violent agrement. :argue:

[Sophist]

I thought that is what I said, what you have defined is the methodoly for training a throw. Judo has its own delivery system (methodolgy) for training attributes and skills use in a throw for example. I think we are violent agrement. :argue:

No. We are not talking about the way judo trains a throw. We are talking about the strategy a judoka employs to execute a throw.

Edit: To make it clearer, if you learned judo throws as they are done in judo while doing some form of gendai jujitsu which didn't incorporate resistance, you would be working on learning the same delivery system - it's just that you'd be learning it in a crap manner.

[Ke?poFist]

Sophist well put.

To be honest I never got the whole "delivery system" concept, and just chalked it up to Thornton and MMA nuthuggers trying to sound just as esoteric and elitist as the LARPers they argue against. Your last two posts have made it much clearer now.

[M1K3]

Sohist, went to this site http://sfuk.tripod.com/articles_02/thorntondebate.html. I see what you are talking about. Once he used the term base, my main backgound is wrestling, the light clicked on. So to go a little zen on you, delivery system is more verb than noun. It is the 'way of doing' not the training, which however does have an impact on it.

So, going back to my original statement, wing chun trans people to have an effective chi sao delivery system, not a fighting delivery system. Neh?

:XXhippylo

[Cullion]

Having trained in it for several years: Usually, yes.

[Ke?poFist]

Sohist, went to this site http://sfuk.tripod.com/articles_02/thorntondebate.html. I see what you are talking about. Once he used the term base, my main backgound is wrestling, the light clicked on. So to go a little zen on you, delivery system is more verb than noun. It is the 'way of doing' not the training, which however does have an impact on it.

So, going back to my original statement, wing chun trans people to have an effective chi sao delivery system, not a fighting delivery system. Neh?

:XXhippylo

that was the best article I've ever seen Matt Thornton write...I owe him quite a few beers.

[It is Fake]

So, going back to my original statement, wing chun trans people to have an effective chi sao delivery system, not a fighting delivery system. Neh?

:XXhippylo

Yes, in a large amount of cases.

[Lampa]

"I believe that people like this can be greatly helped through SPORTS. Whether it's boxing, wrestling, BJJ, Judo, NHB, etc. This type of athletic event can help someone like this gain real self esteem. But too often, instead of going down that route they I see them being drawn into the "streetfighting/ tactical" stuff. And I think this usually just increases there paranoia and fear, and eventually leads to anger."

Matt Thorton, Jedi Master.

Note: Not meant as a dig. I think the ideas in his article are really awesome.

[M1K3]

Sophist, thanks for clearing that up. Your explaination was excellent.

[Bugeisha]

No, this is not the way the phrase "delivery system" is usually used, and it's hard to conceive of it making sense in that context. You're talking about some kind of assembly line training system. A "delivery system" in the way Matt Thornton uses it refers to the way an art goes about attaining a certain goal. For example, judo would begin with kumikata (gripping strategy) then move on to kuzushi (unbalancing) and tai sabaki (moving the body into position to execute the throw) and finish with nage (throwing). The goal is a successful throw, the delivery system the steps leading up to it.

Yes. That was an excellent way to break down the judo delivery system. A delivery system is how you generate power and transfer it to the opponent.

[Hanniballistic]

To GROSSLY oversimplify...

A Bullet = Technique

A Gun = Delivery system

This is a basic illustration of the concept

[aaaargh]

I want to learn more about the "yellow monkey fever" style, it sounds pretty hard-core.