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What is a "delivery system" and how is it used.
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Originally posted by M1K3A delivery system is a methodology to develop attributes and skills for a particular endeavor. An MMA delivery system develops MMA fighters, a wrestling delivery system develops wrestlers, a chess delivery systems develops chess players and so on.
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Originally posted by SophistNo, this is not the way the phrase "delivery system" is usually used, and it's hard to conceive of it making sense in that context. You're talking about some kind of assembly line training system. A "delivery system" in the way Matt Thornton uses it refers to the way an art goes about attaining a certain goal. For example, judo would begin with kumikata (gripping strategy) then move on to kuzushi (unbalancing) and tai sabaki (moving the body into position to execute the throw) and finish with nage (throwing). The goal is a successful throw, the delivery system the steps leading up to it.
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Originally posted by M1K3I thought that is what I said, what you have defined is the methodoly for training a throw. Judo has its own delivery system (methodolgy) for training attributes and skills use in a throw for example. I think we are violent agrement. :argue:
Edit: To make it clearer, if you learned judo throws as they are done in judo while doing some form of gendai jujitsu which didn't incorporate resistance, you would be working on learning the same delivery system - it's just that you'd be learning it in a crap manner.Last edited by Sophist; 8/09/2007 8:23am, .
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Northeast Anti-Silliness Department Inc.
- Jan 2006
- 6952 Location: Long Island, NY
Style: Kaju, BJJ, Judo, Kempo
Sophist well put.
To be honest I never got the whole "delivery system" concept, and just chalked it up to Thornton and MMA nuthuggers trying to sound just as esoteric and elitist as the LARPers they argue against. Your last two posts have made it much clearer now.
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Sohist, went to this site http://sfuk.tripod.com/articles_02/thorntondebate.html. I see what you are talking about. Once he used the term base, my main backgound is wrestling, the light clicked on. So to go a little zen on you, delivery system is more verb than noun. It is the 'way of doing' not the training, which however does have an impact on it.
So, going back to my original statement, wing chun trans people to have an effective chi sao delivery system, not a fighting delivery system. Neh?
:XXhippylo
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Northeast Anti-Silliness Department Inc.
- Jan 2006
- 6952 Location: Long Island, NY
Style: Kaju, BJJ, Judo, Kempo
Originally posted by M1K3Sohist, went to this site http://sfuk.tripod.com/articles_02/thorntondebate.html. I see what you are talking about. Once he used the term base, my main backgound is wrestling, the light clicked on. So to go a little zen on you, delivery system is more verb than noun. It is the 'way of doing' not the training, which however does have an impact on it.
So, going back to my original statement, wing chun trans people to have an effective chi sao delivery system, not a fighting delivery system. Neh?
:XXhippylo
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"I believe that people like this can be greatly helped through SPORTS. Whether it's boxing, wrestling, BJJ, Judo, NHB, etc. This type of athletic event can help someone like this gain real self esteem. But too often, instead of going down that route they I see them being drawn into the "streetfighting/ tactical" stuff. And I think this usually just increases there paranoia and fear, and eventually leads to anger."
Matt Thorton, Jedi Master.
Note: Not meant as a dig. I think the ideas in his article are really awesome.
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Originally posted by SophistNo, this is not the way the phrase "delivery system" is usually used, and it's hard to conceive of it making sense in that context. You're talking about some kind of assembly line training system. A "delivery system" in the way Matt Thornton uses it refers to the way an art goes about attaining a certain goal. For example, judo would begin with kumikata (gripping strategy) then move on to kuzushi (unbalancing) and tai sabaki (moving the body into position to execute the throw) and finish with nage (throwing). The goal is a successful throw, the delivery system the steps leading up to it.
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