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    Systema At Throwdowns? WTF is this thread about anyway?

    Yeah. I laughed when I was making the title for this topic to.

    Anyway, being new here at Bullshido, I went on Youtube to see if I could find some funny videos from other users. I did, of course, and came across this little gem:

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SJDnMDJVWmQ#s3FtYQCTLlQ

    Under the name "DarthPerilous", I made a cute little comment that I thought was quite humorous. One post later, a user by the name of "StopMoColorado" begins to throw insults here and there and basically nutrides Systema with a passion rivaling Rosie O' Donnell in a gay pride meeting at KFC. He then goes on to claim that two gentlemen, Henry Tsoi and John Elliott, attended a recent Bullshido Throwdown "and OWNED everyone they came up against". Of course, I proceded to ask StopMoColorado for video proof of these events, which he responded by providing the username of one "chinkyLEPRECHAUN".

    http://www.youtube.com/profile?user=chinkyLEPRECHAUN

    I visited Chinky's Youtube video collection to see if I could find any videos that fit StopMoColorado's description. So far, I'm not so sure I have. All I've seen so far is one video of random person who may or may not be an MMA'er, taking on someone named "Demetry Furman" who apparently studies Systema, in a match that may or may not have started at the time of recording.

    Anyway, I'm not calling this to your attention to settle any kind of online drama. Rather, I'd like to know if anyone of Systema background was actually capable of "OWNING" anyone else at a Throwdown. I've never been to a Throwdown yet, so I lack the first-hand experience to find out if this is true or not. If it is, let me be the first to kill myself. If a Systemer actually kicked the ass of a Bullshido member, life won't be worth living anymore.

    #2
    wrong forum
    There is no cheating, there is only jiu-jitsu.

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      #3
      Henry and John both post here and the Toronto throwdown was very thoroughly discussed both in the most recent Systema thread on this forum and also in the Throwdowns forum. I think that the BSD forum members they were sparring with would be among the first to acknowledge that they both acquitted themselves very well, but IIRC Henry (HanktheTank) specifically denied "owning" anyone; the throwdown was just a chance to get together and compare styles, etc.

      The video clips you're looking for would be these (Henry/Hank is the guy in the black shirt and red and black shorts, "Jellyman" is the Systema practitioner in the white shirt, black shorts and black wrestling boots)

      http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=htSfm_Bpl04
      http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FJvILRAA5kk
      http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BXmVbg9et4o
      http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6BvjHb-Kx78

      There are other clips - just search "Chinkyleprechaun's" clip collection for the names HanktheTank and Jellyman.

      Anyway, try a forum search for "Toronto Throwdown" and "Systema" to read about the event from all sides. It sounds like everyone had a good time and that quite a few bridges were built.
      Check out the Bullshido.net Western Martial Arts Forum for all things Western, martial and arty.

      Bartitsu: the Gentlemanly Art of Self Defence (est. 1899)

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        #4
        Moved from MABS. Original title:
        Systema "OWNED" Everyone at a Recent Throwdown?
        Calm down, it's only ones and zeros.
        "Your calm and professional manner of response is really draining all the fun out of this. Can you reply more like Dr. Fagbot or something? Call me some names, mention some sand in my vagina or something of the sort. You can't expect me to come up with reasonable arguments man!" -- MaverickZ

        "Tom Kagan spins in his grave and the fucking guy isn't even dead yet." -- Snake Plissken

        My Bullshido fan club threads:
        Tom Kagan's a big hairy...
        Tom Kagan can lick my BALLS
        Tom Kagan teaches _ing __un and bigotry?
        Tom Kagan: Serious discussion here
        Lamokio asks the burning question is Tom Kagan a pussy or just cruising for some
        I'm Dave the gay Kickboxer from Manchester and I have the hots for Tom Kagan
        TOM KAGAN, OPEN ME, THE MKT ARE COMING FOR YOU ! ARE YOU MAN ENOUGH TO MEET ?
        ATTN TOM KAGAN
        World Dominator 'Kagan' in plot to lie about real Kung Fu and Martial Arts
        Tom Kagan just gave me my third negative rep in a day
        I am infatuated with Tom Kagan
        Tom Kagan is a fat balding white guy.

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          #5
          Do all newbs get trashed in their title when their thread gets moved, or am I a guinea pig? :suicide:
          Last edited by NaitoTheShinobi; 5/05/2007 9:19pm, .

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            #6
            Read forum rules and you wouldn't have to ask.

            MABS is for serious investigations.

            YMAS is for making fun of an art or style.

            Which one do you think you fell under with this thread.

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              #7
              Noobietown is the safe haven for the recently de-helmeted
              There is no cheating, there is only jiu-jitsu.

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                #8
                Well, I was a wee bit confused when it came to that part. Even though my subject trashes Systema, I believed it fit under an investigation subject more, since it deals with someone who may or may not have made false claims.... concerning a Bullshido event, no less.

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                  #9
                  Originally posted by NaitoTheShinobi
                  Do all newbs get trashed in their title when their thread gets moved, or am I a guinea pig? :suicide:

                  No you just get guinea pigs shoved up your ass.


                  Why are you smiling?


                  It's not like I'm hitting on you I'm married.

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                    #10
                    Nah. Lurk more read less. False claim from systema regading effectiveness do not need an investigation...just some rolling of the eyes.
                    There is no cheating, there is only jiu-jitsu.

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                      #11
                      your thread name being changed is nothing new or unique at all.

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                        #12
                        Ahh. I see. Next time, I'll focus my attention on an MA that's actually worthy of attention.

                        Lesson learned. Humble pie baked and eaten.

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                          #13
                          Originally posted by NaitoTheShinobi
                          Well, I was a wee bit confused when it came to that part. Even though my subject trashes Systema, I believed it fit under an investigation subject more, since it deals with someone who may or may not have made false claims.... concerning a Bullshido event, no less.
                          It might be worth your while to mention to "StopMoColorado" that Hank himself didn't claim to "own" anyone at the Toronto Throwdown. However, the video evidence pretty much speaks for itself. Both of the Systema practitioners who attended the event did fine, within the rules of their various matches. Hank has suggested that other Systema people in Toronto might also like to attend the next Throwdown in that area.

                          Have you checked the other threads about the Toronto Throwdown yet?
                          Check out the Bullshido.net Western Martial Arts Forum for all things Western, martial and arty.

                          Bartitsu: the Gentlemanly Art of Self Defence (est. 1899)

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                            #14
                            Yeah. It seems as though those Systemers actually did pretty well for themselves. So, either Hank and Jellyman are really good fighters, or Systema is a halfway decent MA...

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                              #15
                              Originally posted by NaitoTheShinobi
                              Ahh. I see. Next time, I'll focus my attention on an MA that's actually worthy of attention.

                              Lesson learned. Humble pie baked and eaten.

                              I don't think you learned your lesson.

                              Forget Systema. I moved it because you want to start an investigation on an internet troll based on the fact you can't handle his trolling.

                              No pie for you!
                              Calm down, it's only ones and zeros.
                              "Your calm and professional manner of response is really draining all the fun out of this. Can you reply more like Dr. Fagbot or something? Call me some names, mention some sand in my vagina or something of the sort. You can't expect me to come up with reasonable arguments man!" -- MaverickZ

                              "Tom Kagan spins in his grave and the fucking guy isn't even dead yet." -- Snake Plissken

                              My Bullshido fan club threads:
                              Tom Kagan's a big hairy...
                              Tom Kagan can lick my BALLS
                              Tom Kagan teaches _ing __un and bigotry?
                              Tom Kagan: Serious discussion here
                              Lamokio asks the burning question is Tom Kagan a pussy or just cruising for some
                              I'm Dave the gay Kickboxer from Manchester and I have the hots for Tom Kagan
                              TOM KAGAN, OPEN ME, THE MKT ARE COMING FOR YOU ! ARE YOU MAN ENOUGH TO MEET ?
                              ATTN TOM KAGAN
                              World Dominator 'Kagan' in plot to lie about real Kung Fu and Martial Arts
                              Tom Kagan just gave me my third negative rep in a day
                              I am infatuated with Tom Kagan
                              Tom Kagan is a fat balding white guy.

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