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    #31
    Super Smash Bros. Melee is the most competatively played game right now. The moves and physics are nowere near realistic, but the "combat mentality" of this and real fighting is very, very close. Allot of the rules of real life fighting apply here as well.

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      #32
      how so cesar?

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        #33
        Well, almost all of the characters play completely different for one. One of the fundemental rules of combat is to "Not let your opponent play his game" (Dont let a grappler take you down etc) and this applies in SSBM. Some character are really well at long range combat due to projectiles, others are specialists in close combat.

        Just like in real fighting, your best moves are the ones that have the highest chance of success, even if they are nowere near the strongest (The jab for example). The characters that have allot of these quick, high percent moves are always better than the powerhouse characters.

        Combos! There are no set combos in SSBM like in almost every other fighting game. You basically have a set number of moves and you have to use them to create your own combos in the middle of a fight. Its stupid how in games like Soul Calibur and Teken some characters have a set combo that requires memorization of... a button PATTERN to be able to use. Ugh....

        It really is hard to explain, I do play the game competatively, I guess you have to play it to know what I mean. And by play SSBM I am refering to TOURNAMENT style play. The 4 player free for alls are absolutely nothing like fighitng at all.

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          #34
          Originally posted by KayDeePee
          So the only references you have backing you up are uncredited gaming magazines. EGM has as much worth to video games as Black Belt Magazine has as much worth to martial arts. If Namco gave these magazines more money and sponsorship, reviewers would easily write Tekken as the second coming of Jesus instead of saying that it can also be played as a button masher. Reviewers say that Tekken button mashes because they only put in a few days of playing time just so they can review the game before moving on to the next game. That doesn't mean that the review of the game is valid, but at least I can understand where they're coming from. You've been playing the Tekken series for over 10 years and are still a button masher. What's your excuse?

          You also demonstrate that you suck at 3rd Strike as well. Two players parrying back and forth shows how predictable they are. Predictability shows that your game hasn't evolved nor can you adapt while you play. Then again, I'm replying to someone who still button mashes at Tekken since playing the game 10 years ago.

          You also shouldn't knock juggling since 3rd strike has that too. Watch any tournament vid of Dudley, Urien, Oro, Makoto SA II, and Yun. You'll always find them juggling. Criticizing juggling for being old since VF 2 and Tekken 2 while praising 3rd Strike means you should shut your mouth. I could mention how juggles and combos have changed in each game, but you button mash. You're not ready to juggle yet.

          The point of all this is to show that you're in another thread where you're showing that you have no idea what you're talking about. In this case, it's how to play fighting games. I don't care if people think Tekken and VF are realistic. I really don't care.

          Seriously. Quit fighting games. It will be one thing less to suck at in life.
          u not seeing sarcasm in that sf3 comment means you are a faggot. straight up.

          i never said all i do is button mash.

          the game is what you make it.90% of people who play the game mash the shit out of the game.

          also tekkens 10 hit comboes are pointless. vf floaty mechanics are pointless.

          you are pointless. i really want to fuck you up, i will actually come to a TD to fuck you up and throw u a vf 5 and tekken disc so u can fuck the shit out of it you spicy faggot.

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            #35
            SSBM sucks. The original has a better speed and is much better balanced, I think.
            I rate myself an expert on SSB thusly: my partner and I lost to the eventual winners of an MIT SSB tournament, in the first round, by 4 points in a 5 min match. Because of the single elim format, we had to stop. They crushed everyone else on the way to #1 by margins greater than 30. After they won, we played a few casual matches and had a score of 2-3. If I knew of anyone else still playing SSB competitively at a less local level, I'd be all over it.
            Did I just admit all this to the internet? Crap.

            When SSBM and SSB really shine is about timing and positioning. These 2 are fundamentals from which all of your attacks, rolls, dodges, combos must be soundly based on. If you don't know where to be or when to act, you're fuct.

            And as Cesar said, the characters have a small number of very different moves. It's not like in Tekken or VF where everyone at least has some punches and kicks. The most fun is that you have to explore all of a character's moves and figure out how to compose your style from it. You could be a fireball and throw Mario, or a roll and headbutt Mario. Or you could switch depending on circumstances.
            Some basic moves are suboptimal, and you will abandon them for better moves/tactics as you move into higher-level play. You could liken this process to switching from TKD to MT. And some obscure ones usually suck, but are killer in the right situations, like Jiggly's up+B, down+B.

            In summary, SSB is really deep and amazingly well balanced. It's not realistic, but it embodies all that you expect of a game where you control your character in fighting equals.
            Last edited by meng_mao; 4/17/2007 11:38pm, .
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              #36
              Originally posted by Gai
              u not seeing sarcasm in that sf3 comment means you are a faggot. straight up.

              i never said all i do is button mash.

              the game is what you make it.90% of people who play the game mash the shit out of the game.

              also tekkens 10 hit comboes are pointless. vf floaty mechanics are pointless.

              you are pointless. i really want to fuck you up, i will actually come to a TD to fuck you up and throw u a vf 5 and tekken disc so u can fuck the shit out of it you spicy faggot.
              You want to beat someone up over an argument about video games?

              Yeah, that's fine.
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              You're a scrapper, I like that."-Ronin69

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                #37
                Originally posted by Gai
                u not seeing sarcasm in that sf3 comment means you are a faggot. straight up.

                i never said all i do is button mash.

                the game is what you make it.90% of people who play the game mash the shit out of the game.

                also tekkens 10 hit comboes are pointless. vf floaty mechanics are pointless.

                you are pointless. i really want to fuck you up, i will actually come to a TD to fuck you up and throw u a vf 5 and tekken disc so u can fuck the shit out of it you spicy faggot.
                Having little experience with Tekken, I really cannot comment.

                But Virtua Fighter is not a button masher, frankly, I don't even know where you get that idea. Some characters are more easy to use by newer players, but there are many MANY time/frame sensitive characters who can destroy people who button mash.

                And I think you just suck at the VF floating mechanics.

                VF is one of the deepest and most satisfying games to play really, I honestly have no idea what you are talking about.

                And in respect to realism, no, not realistic, but yes, fun, and extremely deep in terms of gameplay.

                I'm right, and in the deepest darkest places you don't want to talk about, you know you're wrong.

                I'm sure since you're a hardcore gamer you've read reviews, but here are a few for the newest installment, virtua fighter 5.

                IGN: 8.8
                Gamespy: 5/5
                EGM: 9.7/10
                PSM Magazine: 9/10

                There were a few outliers like Game Revolution and Pure Magazine UK, but all other scores were in the B to A- range.

                P.S. You're getting really REALLY angry about a video game. *tee hee

                Edit: For redundancy redundancy

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                  #38
                  Am I the only one who'd rather play Civilization IV?
                  Originally posted by Gai
                  faggot
                  Where do you get time to train for KotC with all these games you play? Fuck off back to gamefaqs.

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                    #39
                    if anything im a game nerd, and tekken and virtua fighter are still button mashers.]
                    Originally posted by Gai
                    im quoting gaming critics as well,egm,game informer, vf can be a technical game as well as a button masher,

                    u not seeing sarcasm in that sf3
                    So which is it? They are button mashers, they are technical, you were being sarcastic?

                    Self ownage is always fun.
                    Last edited by It is Fake; 4/18/2007 8:32am, .

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                      #40
                      Originally posted by Gai
                      u not seeing sarcasm in that sf3 comment means you are a faggot. straight up.

                      i never said all i do is button mash.

                      the game is what you make it.90% of people who play the game mash the shit out of the game.

                      also tekkens 10 hit comboes are pointless. vf floaty mechanics are pointless.

                      you are pointless. i really want to fuck you up, i will actually come to a TD to fuck you up and throw u a vf 5 and tekken disc so u can fuck the shit out of it you spicy faggot.
                      It must be great being you. Do you get this hostile in real life too?
                      " The reason elite level MMAists don't fight with aikido is the same reason elite level swimmers don't swim with their lips." - Virus

                      " I shocked him with my skills on the ice becuase Wing Chun is great for hockey fighting." - 'Sifu' Milt Wallace

                      "Besides, as you might already know (from Virus, for example) - there's only 1 wing chun and it sucks big time" - Tonuzaba

                      "Even when I'm promising mayhem and butt-chicanery, I'm generally posting with a smile on my face." - Sochin101

                      "That said, if he blocked my hip on a drop nage, I would extend my leg into a drop tai Otoshi and slam him so hard his parents would die." - MTripp

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                        #41
                        his video game skillz were insulted. Can you really blame him?


                        Now lovely Lucifer, in hell so stark
                        King, and lord of sin and pride
                        With some mist his wits make dark.
                        He send thee grace to be thy guide


                        HE LOOKS LIKE A TINY BEAR MIXED WITH A CAT, AND THAT IS THE MEANEST ANIMAL MIXTURE EVER, BEAR FOR FUCKING STRENGTH, AND CAT FOR FUCKING MEAN!!! MOTHERFUCKER.

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                          #42
                          Hunh?? I thought it was his knowledge.

                          You know, he is a video game nerd.

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                            #43
                            I think it was his knowledge and skillz that were insulted. Didn't much like being called a button-masher.


                            Now lovely Lucifer, in hell so stark
                            King, and lord of sin and pride
                            With some mist his wits make dark.
                            He send thee grace to be thy guide


                            HE LOOKS LIKE A TINY BEAR MIXED WITH A CAT, AND THAT IS THE MEANEST ANIMAL MIXTURE EVER, BEAR FOR FUCKING STRENGTH, AND CAT FOR FUCKING MEAN!!! MOTHERFUCKER.

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                              #44
                              The best MMA engine ever devised was the one in Virtual Pro Wrestling 2, a N64 game that is easily emulateable on PC. Controls were good, exchanging blows was exciting, it had a good takedown/mount and ground-and-pound system and even a TKO by cut incorporated. Only letdown is that it only allows 16 custom wrestlers made with the intuitive CAW system.

                              Second best MMA engine is the one from the Fire Prowrestling series. Tons of fighters, moves, and the ability to score one-hit submissions and knockouts made it a very entertaining series of games. From FPZ onward, it also had a simple but working groundfighting model. Also easy to emulate if you have the ROMs and have spaces for up to several hundred custom wrestlers and fighters.
                              Last edited by Shawarma; 4/18/2007 8:53am, .

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                                #45
                                Originally posted by Gai
                                u not seeing sarcasm in that sf3 comment means you are a faggot. straight up.

                                i never said all i do is button mash.

                                the game is what you make it.90% of people who play the game mash the shit out of the game.

                                also tekkens 10 hit comboes are pointless. vf floaty mechanics are pointless.

                                you are pointless. i really want to fuck you up, i will actually come to a TD to fuck you up and throw u a vf 5 and tekken disc so u can fuck the shit out of it you spicy faggot.
                                The fact that you have your poo stabbed on a nightly basis makes you even more of a faggot than me.

                                Criticize Tekken and VF all you like. Every point you bring up shows that you still suck.

                                Just because you can mash doesn't mean the game is made that way. That means 100% of fighting games are button mashers.

                                I'll come out to the next throwdown. Then we can all laugh at you for coming to a TD in Toronto just to throw a tantrum over a video game. No matter what, I win.

                                There's really no point in arguing the rest of this. You can bring things up and I'll shoot you down. This is just one of those times where you have to pick on a retard who's asking for it. It's so much fun to rile him up when he cries and screams so easily.
                                Last edited by Transcendent Sunchips; 4/18/2007 9:25am, .
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