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    Anyone Heard of Ray Sarkine?

    Just curious if Ray Sarkine has a name in the Muay Thai world or if he was trying to put on airs. I chatted with him tonight, and my opinion could swing either way.

    Thanks!

    #2
    What I suggest you do is try "google". God (or google) made search functions for a reason... .. when you do use them, usually a whole bunch of information is displayed that you could look at....If you don't use them bad things happen, especially to NOOBs.

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      #3
      badadum
      There is no cheating, there is only jiu-jitsu.

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        #4
        A search function is infinitely less informative than talking to a guy who's fought him or his students. When choosing who to trust my training to, I like first-hand information, not a bunch of articles and statistics.

        Besides, some things must be weighed against one another. For instance, the world rankings of his students tend to be 1-2 or 1-1. So is he bad because they often have losing records, or is he good because his students are ranked among the IKF World Amateurs? I don't know the integrity of the program, so looking at a bunch of pretty numbers doesn't mean much.

        I don't fight in the IKF, so I don't know anything about it. You can be a jackhole and call me a noob because I belong to a different organization, or you can be informative and helpful for 5 minutes of your life.

        Edit: A third option: you could simply let people with something worth saying speak.

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          #5
          you're gonna enjoy your ride and last very long among us my friend
          Originally posted by Phrost
          Yeah, you're probably right.

          But still, something about having a black guy or a lesbian jump out from behind a garbage can yelling "SURPRISE GONG SAU" at any of your big-named RBSD kooks makes me giggle like a little girl.
          Originally posted by Phrost
          There are two kinds of members on MAP:

          1. LARPers/Partial Artists
          2. People who haven't heard about Bullshido.
          The Mighty McClaw to Fox when refusing to fight AnnaT.

          Originally posted by TheMightyMcClaw
          Don't fight girls? When are you living, the 1850's? I suppose you think they shouldn't work or vote either.
          Get with the times and punch a chick.
          Wingchundo's response after I called him a "pussy"

          Originally posted by wingchundo
          Hey, I resemble that remark!

          Ok, time for a snappy comeback.... uh...

          OK. Here goes.

          You are what you eat!

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            #6
            If you talked to him, why didn't you ask him all these things. Also, go over and try it out, thats the real acid test. Don't take someone else word for it.

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              #7
              I asked him several questions, but when it comes to his record he was too self-important to get a real answer from him. He described the success of his school thusly: "I'm the guy who teaches guys who go out and bring home Golden Gloves and world championships every year..." Then he explained how all these martial arts masters won't go near Muay Thai boxers and how the good ones all practice Muay Thai on the side.

              Once again, it might be true. But I can't find the info online, so I wanted to know if anyone has experienced Ronin Gym's fighters to see if he trains as well as he talks. Because if he's just average, then I couldn't stand his attitude long enough to train there. If he's as good as he says he is, though, I could buckle down and let him be a tool.

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                #8
                Well here you go. I trained with Ray for almost 4 years, and I was "Let Go" because of some differences my girlfriend (she was also a student) and he had. As long as you can look past all of his BS sessions after class and his advice on how you should live your life, you should be fine. He does have a very well structured class setup, and I am glad that I went to his school to learn the basics of fighting. And I am just as glad to not be a part of his school as well. I could keep going and going about the good and the bad and I would probably come up with more bad than good but...... The good things I learned were and are very helpful.

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                  #9
                  That's really good to know, Drifter. I'd already decided to forego the school, despite the nice structure I saw. It reinforces my decision to know that the owner screws around with people's personal lives on that level. Granted, my Master will punish you for being a jerk outside the dojang, but he doesn't take revenge on students by kicking their friends out.

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                    #10
                    First Hand Knowledge


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                        #12
                        News about Indianapolis Martial Arts Club

                        I took a quick look at the IKF website i seen that ray sarkine's team came back with 4 wold titles in Muay Thai. Here is the link to the IKF website if you want to see for yourself- http://ikfkickboxing.com/WC07Results.htm
                        Well i think results speak for themselves...

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                          #13
                          Well now I will give my opinion of Mr. Sarkine. I trained at his school for about 2 years, He does have a very structered school, and he has been at that location for 20 years or so, so he does run a descent business, yeah right!!!! When I first started at Ronin Gym I was in Aw of Mr. Sarking I had never seen Muay Thai up close until then. He would brag about how he was the youngest world champion in History, and how he knocked out some Navy Seal and through him down the stairs. Oh, he would also talk about being Buddhist, now the way I look at it throwing people down the stairs is not practicing the Buddhist religion. This guy is a brain washing fool, he will tell students that nobody will fight his students in the city because they are scared, he tries to make sure he has some type of control in his students life, this guy thrives off of weak minded students. I still don't know who tought this guy Muay Thai he would never tell us. I actually thought I was a good Muay Thai fighter until I found another school in INDY, I found out pretty quick how good I was, and then began improving considerably with correct technique, and crazy power in my kicks. Take my advice and look around, you will definitely find a more friendly, accredited school.

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