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    #2
    from what i know:

    thai boxing = muay thai

    chinese kickboxing = kung fu or other chinese martial art based kickboxing system. think taking kung fu without all the forms and jumping on one toe and walking on water, and basically just focusing on techniques for fighting and sparring.

    thats what i got from a friend who took both kung fu (dressed up in a pajama and having to make a bunch of weird animal forms) and chinese kickboxing (in shorts and a tshirt) from the same teacher.

    then again, i don't know first hand.

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      #3
      The character for "chuan" or "quan" (both pronounced more or less the same way) of such arts as "Tai Chi Chuan/Taijiquan," "Hsing Yi Chuan/Xingyiquan," etc., means "fist." So styles like this translate as "This-or-That Fist." It was mistranslated as "boxing" early in the last century, and it kind of stuck.

      So, "Chinese boxing" is a slightly outdated reference to what most folks know as kung fu or wu shu.

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        #4
        Originally posted by Matt Stone
        The character for "chuan" or "quan" (both pronounced more or less the same way) of such arts as "Tai Chi Chuan/Taijiquan," "Hsing Yi Chuan/Xingyiquan," etc., means "fist." So styles like this translate as "This-or-That Fist." It was mistranslated as "boxing" early in the last century, and it kind of stuck.

        So, "Chinese boxing" is a slightly outdated reference to what most folks know as kung fu or wu shu.

        Why yes you are 100% correct. To add to that though, I like calling my stuff Chinese Boxing because Kung-fu can also be translated a few other ways and Wu Shu is often mistaken for performance martial arts.

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          #5
          Originally posted by Omega the Merciless
          Why yes you are 100% correct. To add to that though, I like calling my stuff Chinese Boxing because Kung-fu can also be translated a few other ways and Wu Shu is often mistaken for performance martial arts.
          I agree...

          When I'm talking to someone who'll know one from the other, I use the "proper" names of the styles. When I'm talking to someone who doesn't know kung fu from crappling, I use whatever term they use (e.g. "Yeah, yeah, I do judo... or whatever.").

          When I'm talking to someone that knows just enough to be completely confused by terms, I just use "Chinese boxing." They get the "Chinese" part, and "boxing" lets them know somebody gets hit. Good enough for gubmunt work...

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            #6
            Ill find out for sure tomorrow and let you guys know how it went. Im guessing its not the whole hung-gar animal form deal as I can't see that mixing well with a style as direct and no-nonsense as Muay Thai. Omega, is thier a video I can see of you fighting? just out of curiosity.

            Thanks for the info

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              #7
              What kinda video do you want to see. Most of my stuff is joke stuff.

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                #8
                Just videos of you hitting people using Kung-fu/Chinese Boxing. Wondering how it looks In real life. Im quessing its not like way of the dragon, and I assume you don't get the title of proffesional fighter with hours and hours of Chi Saou. I may be wrong, im here to learn.

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                  #9
                  http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZBoxX48_tAo

                  Here you go.

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                    #10
                    and here

                    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Bwys7ZBVny8

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                      #11
                      wow....so much for Kung-fu masters being skinny bearded guys. If the club im going to tonight teaches that kinda thing Ive probably found a good club. What style of Chinese Boxing do you study Omega, ands is the ground fighting a part of it?

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                        #12
                        Originally posted by Hidden Ronin
                        Im guessing its not the whole hung-gar animal form deal as I can't see that mixing well with a style as direct and no-nonsense as Muay Thai. Omega, is thier a video I can see of you fighting? just out of curiosity.
                        i think you are horribly mis-informed as to the nature of hung ga(r) training, because it, in fact, mixes very well with muay thai training.

                        also omega did train in hung gar at one point.
                        "Face punches are an essential character building part of a martial art. You don't truly love your children unless you allow them to get punched in the face." - chi-conspiricy
                        "When I was a little boy, I had a sailor suit, but it didn't mean I was in the Navy." - Mtripp on the subject of a 5 year old karate black belt
                        "Without actual qualifications to be a Zen teacher, your instructor is just another roundeye raping Asian culture for a buck." - Errant108
                        "Seriously, who gives a fuck what you or Errant think? You're Asian males, everyone just ignores you, unless you're in a krotty movie." - new2bjj

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                          #13
                          I always though Hung-gar was the five animal forms: Tiger, Crane, Dragon, monkey and Snake. If im wrong, my appologise. Could you tell me some more about the style?

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                            #14
                            Originally posted by Hidden Ronin
                            I always though Hung-gar was the five animal forms: Tiger, Crane, Dragon, monkey and Snake. If im wrong, my appologise. Could you tell me some more about the style?
                            it is. well, there is no monkey in hung ga(r) the other animal is leopard.

                            but if you expect to see animal posing during fights, then, again, you are woefully uninformed about the style.

                            you can click the link at the top right of my post (looks like a red and white house) to see a description of my school.

                            as far as the animal thing goes, the faster you stop thinking that they are "techniques" and start thinking of them as "fighting philosophies", the faster you will begin to understand real kung fu fighting.

                            the crane is focused on loose whipping attacks, often combining the block and the strike in one movement. there is also a good deal of evasive angle work in crane. you can see a lot of crane theory at work in muay thai, although they don't know it for the most part.

                            tiger is all about direct linear attacks down the center line. often tiger implies open palm strikes with the possibility of raking the face, but that is way less important than the concept of aggressive attacking and straight linear movement.

                            dragon is all about twisting and changing levels. i see a lot of dragon in how boxers slip punches.

                            i could go on, but i won't. i think you may get the picture.

                            oh and btw, most hung ga(r) schools don't "get it" either, unfortunately.
                            "Face punches are an essential character building part of a martial art. You don't truly love your children unless you allow them to get punched in the face." - chi-conspiricy
                            "When I was a little boy, I had a sailor suit, but it didn't mean I was in the Navy." - Mtripp on the subject of a 5 year old karate black belt
                            "Without actual qualifications to be a Zen teacher, your instructor is just another roundeye raping Asian culture for a buck." - Errant108
                            "Seriously, who gives a fuck what you or Errant think? You're Asian males, everyone just ignores you, unless you're in a krotty movie." - new2bjj

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                              #15
                              thanks for the info. now that you have exsplained the philosphies I see how each of the animals can be incorperated into a style of fighting that dosn't involve endless hours of standing on one leg. Its a shame that media have bastardised this type of thing, aking people think (like I did till five minutes ago) that crane style was all about flapping your arms about, and dragon style was all about yelling alot (not that I can talk about that one, I study Karate.) I see how Muay Thai and Chinese boxing fit now, especially if its crane style Hung-Gar.

                              Thanks for the information

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