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    For the R34L Martial Artists.

    Walrus Mike


    http://www.phillymma.com/

    #2
    You're right.

    Unless we've beaten someone to a pulp (at the very least. Better if they're beaten till they're dead) we are just hobbyists.

    Oh, and because I refuse to 'serve my country', I will never be one of those TRUE MARTIAL ARTISTS. How horrible.

    Dude, let's not alienate the majority of people with one thread... Okay?

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      #3
      :eusa_sile :thebirdma U R A CLOWN:thebirdma :eusa_sile

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        #4
        DANCE CLWN DNCE!!! :karated: :karated: :karated: :karated: :karated: :karated: :karated: :karated: :karated: :karated: :karated:

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          #5
          M1K3: Well, everyone's entitled to their opinion, so I guess I'll try to briefly share some of my thoughts on your post.

          No, I'm not in the Military. No I'm not a Cop (though I have several years of experience working as Security and BodyGuard). No, I don't claim to be a professional fighter (though I've been in many competitions in my day and I still "roll on the mat" or participate in friendly competition occasionally).
          But Yes - I do consider myself a Martial Artist.

          For me it not just a "hobby", but it's a passion and in a sense a "way of life" for me, and Martial Arts has been a big part of my life and a part of who I am for many years.

          I don't think that I need to beat the crap out of people or kill anyone to prove that I'm a Martial Artist. For me, at this point in my life, it's not just about learning a self-defence, but it's also a means of self-improvement as well a way to help maintain my health. I feel it also helps to improve the overall quality and oppertunities in my life as well.

          I've also been in several real-fights in my lifetime (though I've never once started a fight and always do my best to avoid a real fight), and I believe that if not for my Martial Arts training that I would either have been seriously hurt or perhaps even killed.

          There's an old Martial Art saying that goes something like: "Those who desire peace prepare for War". I hope I can live the rest of my life peaceful, happy and never having to hurt others. But if it comes down the need to defend myself, or in some case others, then I will use my Martial Arts training to do what I need to do and hopfully survive such situations if they should occur.

          As far as I'm concerned, I feel that a Martial Artist should seek to AVOID a fight (I'm talking about a real fight, not sport or competition), and physical violence should be a last resort.

          BTW, you say:
          The real martial artists are the brave people who are serving in their nations armed forces.
          , but did you know that sometimes the armed-forces will hire NON-military "Civilian Martial Artists" to help train them for hand-to-hand combat?
          Last edited by BigDon; 2/28/2007 10:21am, .

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            #6
            Coyote's response was the proper one. I was in the Marine corps and I don't consider.....fuck that. It doesn't even need explaining:eusa_clap :eusa_clap :eusa_clap :eusa_clap :lame: :lame: :lame: :eusa_snoo :eusa_snoo :angry7: :angry7: :angry7:
            Last edited by debul937; 2/28/2007 10:15am, .


            Now lovely Lucifer, in hell so stark
            King, and lord of sin and pride
            With some mist his wits make dark.
            He send thee grace to be thy guide


            HE LOOKS LIKE A TINY BEAR MIXED WITH A CAT, AND THAT IS THE MEANEST ANIMAL MIXTURE EVER, BEAR FOR FUCKING STRENGTH, AND CAT FOR FUCKING MEAN!!! MOTHERFUCKER.

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              #7
              HE R FUNNY CLWN R HE NOT???
              LOLOLZ!!!

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                #8
                This thread could use some insight from the good doctor Macgillicuddy


                Now lovely Lucifer, in hell so stark
                King, and lord of sin and pride
                With some mist his wits make dark.
                He send thee grace to be thy guide


                HE LOOKS LIKE A TINY BEAR MIXED WITH A CAT, AND THAT IS THE MEANEST ANIMAL MIXTURE EVER, BEAR FOR FUCKING STRENGTH, AND CAT FOR FUCKING MEAN!!! MOTHERFUCKER.

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                  #9
                  I was going to post something remotely sensible about not being in the military but arguably having an equally valid application of my skillset..blah, blah ad nauseam....

                  But instead I will just say "For fucks sake M1K3..." and shake my head whilst tutting

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                    #10
                    Originally posted by M1K3
                    no combat service.
                    Hmm..... shut up. I'm going to be nice because I'm a nice person.

                    I'm not a military man. I have never "served" my country. Care to know why? Because the "Service" is chalk full of people just like you (idiots/morons/thickheaded and closeminded) who give the armed services a bad name. Now, lets take a look at some of the core values of "hobbyists" respect, personal growth, striving to reach your athletic potential. Nope, "Martial Artists" dont ever do those things! Look Marine go away. This thread is just as dumb as walking into an Army bar and yelling Semper Fi.... moron.
                    I do not aspire to be great, or even good, I hope to suck a little less then last class.

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                      #11
                      I guess I need to apologize. My goal was not to piss every one off and I am kind of shocked by the way people are reacting.

                      The points I was trying to make were:

                      1. People in the military no matter what their job should be considere martial artists and don't get the respect that they should.
                      2. martial = military, in the not too distant past martial arts belonged to the military. Most people did not have anything to do with them.
                      3. Hobby is not a bad word. For most people here this is not your vocation. It is something you do because you enjoy it and get something out of it, whatever that may be.
                      4. There is much more to martial arts than hand to hand combat
                      5. A lot of people here rant about how deadly their art is, it was the 'too deadly to compete' idea that I was speaking to.

                      So, I am sorry if anyone took this as an insult, it was a point of view, not an attack.
                      Walrus Mike


                      http://www.phillymma.com/

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                        #12
                        Originally posted by Steve
                        You're right.

                        Unless we've beaten someone to a pulp (at the very least. Better if they're beaten till they're dead) we are just hobbyists.

                        Oh, and because I refuse to 'serve my country', I will never be one of those TRUE MARTIAL ARTISTS. How horrible.

                        Dude, let's not alienate the majority of people with one thread... Okay?
                        Umm, I think I get what M1K3 is saying, and I think you're taking it wrong.

                        I don't think a slight was meant on anyone not choosing to be in the military.

                        I don't -think- he meant to talk smack about anyone who trains sincerely and seriously in Martial Arts.

                        I don't even think he meant to take a shit on law enforcement, tho' inadvertently he did-- those folks are exposed nearly constantly to the potential of violence and harm, almost constantly, every shift of their career unless and until they get a total desk job. The average member of the military doesn't have nearly as many hours in a hot zone. So, equal props to LE Pros, at least, okay?

                        I THINK what we're working on here, is that the military OR law enforcement pro lives and works in an environment where they may actually have to fight FOR REAL, even if that fighting is pulling a trigger or dropping a bomb on some poor shits you can't see clearly, not hand-to-hand physical combat. AND they are at risk, real statistical risk, for getting wasted, blown up, offed, killed dead.

                        I didn't see any implication that this is glorious; it is in fact a hell of a way to make a living. And I don't read any slight on anyone who doesn't choose to live that way.

                        But people who don't do danger for a living (and I'll include Corrections Officers, Bouncers and Bodyguards), they are doing SPORT MA. And sports can be dangerous, but its not the same as living with a real risk of violent death daily. You can MAKE your sport serious, by choosing to fight in competition, but don't confuse the SPORT with the REALITY, especially those of us who don't fight all the time.

                        That's what I think he meant, or maybe its just what I'm saying.

                        (metarat, SSG USAR(eserves) Retired, 1983-2004)
                        I was a REMF for 21 years, and I DON'T choose to go back and fight for Georgey and maybe orphan my kids-- but I repect people who live with real danger, including all job classes mentioned above and probably some more.

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                          #13
                          Originally posted by metarat
                          Umm, I think I get what M1K3 is saying, and I think you're taking it wrong.

                          I don't think a slight was meant on anyone not choosing to be in the military.

                          I don't -think- he meant to talk smack about anyone who trains sincerely and seriously in Martial Arts.

                          I don't even think he meant to take a shit on law enforcement, tho' inadvertently he did-- those folks are exposed nearly constantly to the potential of violence and harm, almost constantly, every shift of their career unless and until they get a total desk job. The average member of the military doesn't have nearly as many hours in a hot zone. So, equal props to LE Pros, at least, okay?

                          I THINK what we're working on here, is that the military OR law enforcement pro lives and works in an environment where they may actually have to fight FOR REAL, even if that fighting is pulling a trigger or dropping a bomb on some poor shits you can't see clearly, not hand-to-hand physical combat. AND they are at risk, real statistical risk, for getting wasted, blown up, offed, killed dead.

                          I didn't see any implication that this is glorious; it is in fact a hell of a way to make a living. And I don't read any slight on anyone who doesn't choose to live that way.

                          But people who don't do danger for a living (and I'll include Corrections Officers, Bouncers and Bodyguards), they are doing SPORT MA. And sports can be dangerous, but its not the same as living with a real risk of violent death daily. You can MAKE your sport serious, by choosing to fight in competition, but don't confuse the SPORT with the REALITY, especially those of us who don't fight all the time.

                          That's what I think he meant, or maybe its just what I'm saying.

                          (metarat, SSG USAR(eserves) Retired, 1983-2004)
                          I was a REMF for 21 years, and I DON'T choose to go back and fight for Georgey and maybe orphan my kids-- but I repect people who live with real danger, including all job classes mentioned above and probably some more.
                          Thank you, someone with a better command of english and a lot more sense. This was not a put down especially to law enforcement.
                          Walrus Mike


                          http://www.phillymma.com/

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                            #14
                            Originally posted by M1K3
                            I guess I need to apologize. My goal was not to piss every one off and I am kind of shocked by the way people are reacting.

                            The points I was trying to make were:

                            1. People in the military no matter what their job should be considere martial artists and don't get the respect that they should.
                            2. martial = military, in the not too distant past martial arts belonged to the military. Most people did not have anything to do with them.
                            3. Hobby is not a bad word. For most people here this is not your vocation. It is something you do because you enjoy it and get something out of it, whatever that may be.
                            4. There is much more to martial arts than hand to hand combat
                            5. A lot of people here rant about how deadly their art is, it was the 'too deadly to compete' idea that I was speaking to.

                            So, I am sorry if anyone took this as an insult, it was a point of view, not an attack.
                            Actually, I probably should say sorry too...everyone knows what I am like before a coffee in the morning! (touchy and whiny as fuck!)

                            It wasn't so much your sentiment as your phrasing that was bad - and yes, maybe I took it a bit too personally with the "only those in the military...." line of thought ( for reasons metarat picked up on).

                            Martial actually means "war-LIKE" rather than "military" - in other words, a combative skill. That means that it does mean war per see but ANY conflict scenario.

                            And let us not forget that the military were often the peace-keepers in the periods when they were not fighting (so the arts they learned were emplyed AWAY from the battlefield) so in many ways the line between LEO and soldier is blurry

                            I think most people get what you were saying but were a little ticked off by the "wooly" expression.

                            Anyway, no blood, no foul - the military always have my respect (well, until they get drunk off duty and start bar fights, but that is another story!)

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                              #15
                              Originally posted by debul937
                              This thread could use some insight from the good doctor Macgillicuddy
                              I'll respond for him in his while he's away...


                              LOLZ! PENIS!!

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