WT in MMA

[DAYoung]

Floodgates of private videoarchives, hopefully.
From where all the wise kids who think because they learn something somebody else made working in a ring makes them uber-fighters will pull out and post here all the dozens of glorious and no-sweat victories they've earned in tiringly short and brutal fights with sissy bitch slappers of all wing chun lineages.
How's the saying going? *Takes cockporn and watches*?

HEY KIDS, IT'S HYPOTHETICAL TIME

Let's say you're choosing a style for the first time. You want to know how to fight, but you have no idea where to start: Chinese Kung Fu, Japanese Karate, Brazilian Jujutu, Thai Boxing...the list goes on.

You turn to videos of fighting (instead of films), or you watch contests. As it happens, you can't find many of Wing Chun practitioners actually fighting. They talk about it, they drill for it, and they write about it, but they don't actually seem to fight. You do the same for many other styles. There's not much of Aikido (except in the movies), a little bit more for Kung Fu more broadly, quite a bit for Kyokushin Karate, and a great deal for Boxing, Muay Thai, Judo and Jujutsu.

Now, it might be that Wing Chun is superior to all these styles in conditioning, techniques and strategy, but you can't find any evidence.

If you wanted a fighting art, why would you choose Wing Chun based on this evidence?

[Tonuzaba]

HEY KIDS, IT'S HYPOTHETICAL TIME

So nobody except for me understands that it would be fun (and educational too) to watch videos of people who say something is shit actually proving it is shit by smearing it all over the wall?
I know I'm strange, but I thought asking for videos that show you (and not your style) are better than somebody else is pretty normal.
I might be wrong though...
Because as I've also countlessly said here: I didn't come here saying my WT (or any other person's WT) would kick all you people's asses. I came here asking about why you all think you could kick any WT person's ass.
The answers I get (besides flaming) are hypothetical indeed: because it is not ring-proven, etc... In general you might be right. But that doesn't say anything about your ability to defeat a given WT practitioner. Only a match between you and given person would do that.
Does that makes sense to anybody?

[Torakaka]

So nobody except for me understands that it would be fun (and educational too) to watch videos of people who say something is shit actually proving it is shit by smearing it all over the wall?
I know I'm strange, but I thought asking for videos that show you (and not your style) are better than somebody else is pretty normal.
I might be wrong though...
Because as I've also countlessly said here: I didn't come here saying my WT (or any other person's WT) would kick all you people's asses. I came here asking about why you all think you could kick any WT person's ass.
The answers I get (besides flaming) are hypothetical indeed: because it is not ring-proven, etc... In general you might be right. But that doesn't say anything about your ability to defeat a given WT practitioner. Only a match between you and given person would do that.
Does that makes sense to anybody?

Find me and Kat some wing tsun people to beat up and we'll do it.

[DAYoung]

In general you might be right. But that doesn't say anything about your ability to defeat a given WT practitioner. Only a match between you and given person would do that.
Does that makes sense to anybody?

It makes sense.

It's just not relevant to the point at hand.

If you want to question my fighting ability, go for it.

But right now we're discussing Wing Chun and its epistemological shortcomings.

[Tonuzaba]

Find me and Kat some wing tsun people to beat up and we'll do it.

I can't make fights for other people, besides "Moo Thai Island" is too broad a term for an address. Based on the submachine gun and my intelligence I assume you're living in the US of A. Maybe you could ask your second favourite -unner, Dr.TzunTzu to tell you where the closest WT school is? I'll PM him, maybe you should too and don't forget the camera. Either it's gonna be fun, plus you'll have my gratitude for actually doing something many should have a long time ago...

[Anna Kovacs]

We're in atlanta, Georgia, USA.

[Virus]

Why I believe t3h r1ing and MMA are a valuable tool for evaluating styles.

A proper scientific experiment requires the conditions to be controlled. This is done to ensure that the results of the experiment are due to the factors being tested. It's quote a common occurrence in normal thought, that something that is attributed to a certain causal factor is actually due to something else. Sometimes this can even be an artifact of the experimental protocol itself. MMA most closely conforms to a controlled experiment due to several things such as weight categories, eliminating the element of surprise, weapons, and so on. While several nutriders say "yo that ain't like da str33tz homes!" They forget to consider that a drunk who smashes a bottle over their head from behind is going to kick their karate-ninjer-flying monkey ass as well, regardless of how many bujinkan 5th dan tests you've passed.

Secondly, the results are objective and verifiable by anyone. This is important. "I killed ten guys with an aikido wristlocks" doesn't cut it.

I also have an idea about styles being defined by training methods rather than fighting appearance. I believe we should define by training methods. If you have a history of t3h Ving but stand in a boxer's stance, work the pads, the heavy bag, spar and use something that looks excatly like boxing, then I don't think it's valid to say that it's t3h _un. Why? Becuase if we are allowed to do this that means that names mean nothing. you might as well call anything by any name. Why don't I call my judo ninjitsu? it sounds cooler! Why don't we all call our styles ninjitsu? There's another point. Some people are adamant that what they are doing is "kung fu" even if they fully acknowledge that their sparring looks exactly like kick boxing. But if you are aloowed the flexibility to call it kung fu even though it looks nothing like what kung fu has been doing ever since it existed, why does that flexibility not extend the other way? Why get offended when people say "That's just kickboxing".

[DevonHartigan]

I've seen something about a _ing _un club located in Copenhagen (DK) who competes in subwrestling with some results.

http://www.wingtsun.dk/dokumenter/news.asp

Other than that, i don't understand a word in the website i linked.

[JohnnyCache]

So when that school says they use 'wing chun training methods' and apply them to other venues, are they really saying 'we do good martial arts, but we're still kind of chunners because we live a very granola lifestyle'?

And since you can read ze german, what art is Iran's belt in?

Edit: I know it isn't really german

[DevonHartigan]

So when that school says they use 'wing chun training methods' and apply them to other venues, are they really saying 'we do good martial arts, but we're still kind of chunners because we live a very granola lifestyle'?

And since you can read ze german, what art is Iran's belt in?

Actually, I don't think that they claim to be using wing chun training methods in BJJ/SW. They just happen to also teach BJJ/SW in a separate classes, and with different teachers that do not have any affiliation to wing chun.

I have translated Iran Mascarenhas profile http://www.wingtsun.dk/instructor/iran.htm .

" "
(And yes I have no life bothering to translate all of this)

So he is pretty legit and very skilled.

[MrMcFu]

1. _ing _un is a good a worthwhile style.
2. Please show us video of it being used successfully against a resisting opponents.
3. No! Show a video of YOU kicking a _ing _unners ass!

I guess you could talk yourself in circles this way. It's still cool though, since that would be _ing _un too.

[Kempo Chris]

Using wing chun as your main or preferred style is obviously retarted, but I believe there are a few good things to learn from it. Some of their basic trapping skills are good to know and chain punching is fun, but past that it is a waste of time.

[Tomas Drgon]

We're in atlanta, Georgia, USA.

http://www.lywc.com/

[Torakaka]

http://www.lywc.com/

Some wing chun person please contact these people letting them know they have to fight/spar one of us, so we don't have to attempt to dojo storm a place that probably doesn't spar and will have us kicked out.

[Anna Kovacs]

BECOMING A STUDENT

The school keeps a maximum of 30 students in enrollment. Students must be at least 16 years of age to enroll. Each student is carefully screened through an initial interview and then through a six-month probationary training period before being accepted. Good attendance, diligent effort, and proper attitude are required to become accepted and remain a student of the school.

Oh yeh, i bet this place would love to spar with us :)