Stop trashing styles

[jonathan_sicari]

MY NAME IS GRENDEL!!!!!

But...but...teh deadly spearhand nukite strike to the solar plexus and shuto chop to the throat. Tese tekniks R unstopaple. Do right, no can defend er, sumting...

:spam4:

Jonathan

[HonkyTonkMan]

Invited to speak as a newbie, I'll speak. It's the person, not the style that wins. One of the toughest martial artists I ever met was a sub-5-0' Iranian who trained shotokan.

I will try him. I think he a sissy. Shotokan...please...did he do TKD too?

He was a brown belt when I knew him, but I'd take him in a brawl anytime, anywhere. Heart of friggin' lion, with one shot power that was scary.

Is this some kind of gay admission, coming out of the closet type thing?

He told me his instructor had them throw straight kicks for hours until they fell down - nearly a 1000 a day. Needless to say, his front kick would bury you and it came very quick. I also used to do three point blocking with him and my arms shivered - and I was recruited Div. 1 as a wrestler and outweighed the little beast by 30 pounds.

Again...the gay overtones are quite disturbing.

Div 1 wrestler? What school? Year? Competitons?

So, as my current instructor says, it's all kick, block, punch, and wrestle. Buddha developed kung fu, which spread disparately in different forms in South Asia, Korea, Okinawa, and Japan (and then to Brasil!). Samurai philosophy and sword technique joined along sometime afterward on parallel track, probably with some cross pollination.

Did your Sensei also tell you that "isshryu" was 2 bazillion years old and that he was an international grand champion?

Early karate featured defeats of judokan and ju jitsu fighters. A tougher breed of Karate practitioners, perhaps.

And thus starts the return trip to "The Libarary of Anus". Facts please.

Now ju jitsu and muay thai fighters claim supremacy. Modern kung fu seems reduced to ballet. But it's an age old, meaningless debate. Styles are meaningless, as the individual dedication is key. I'll take Mas Oyama in his prime against any Gracie or MMA fighter on the planet in a bare knuckle, no holds barred, fight.

I will take Helio against Mas ANYDAY. History has proven your theory WRONG.

There's probably a couple of monks from Shoalin in the past that would trash them all. Not to mention O Sensai or Yip Man. There's also a certain Greco Roman heavy weight champ from Russia that might just stomp the piss out of many of them. Who knows? I don't think the particular style would control the outcome.

You mean the monks from "Crouching Tiger Hidden Dragon?"

Did you JUST get through watching "Fearless"? You fucking idiot. Go back to "Avatar" on Nick.

Anyway, you get my drift. Modern fighting rules favor styles. Muay Thai rules put gloves on karate fighters and boxers, whose best techniques utilize their hands, so they are left at a disadvantage to get pounded by lower leg techniques and knees, which are the center of the Muay Thai disclipline. I've never seen a Muay Thai fighter that could stand up to a truly good boxer, so put the pads on the shins and let the boxers have at it with only hard taped knuckles. See who wins.

I think I know a few people here who have proven your hypothesis wrong. BTW, MT was a bare knuckle style too. RULES put the gloves on.

Also, wrestling is prohibited, so you can't simply trap and drag a Muay Thai fighter to the ground. MMA fights favor wrestlers and BBJ folks because the room to move is limited, and you can't strike the eyes, knees, or throat- and you can't bite, which is a wrestler's worst nightmare.

Atlanta Throwdown...you....me....You can strike me any where you wish. Then after you black out, I will discuss the merits of grappling with you.

Kyokushin is limited to the body (except for kicks, which can't go to the knees or the face), and you can't trap or wrestle. Even the closest of full contact styles, Vale Tudor, is limited because you can only pound on an ankle or a wrist, you can't bite through a wrist or an Achilles or stick your finger in an eye.

Make it stop!!!! What is Vale TUDOR? An old English king? If your post didnt give it away, your complete lack of spelling ability would, that you are a fucking idiot.

In the end, folks, we're all limited in the styles we practice by the fact that you simply cannot practice true to the end game of hard combat without causing severe injury or death. All of us, from whatever the style are taught, have technigues in the arsenal which cannot be used in sport. Saying that one style is better than another, without the implementation of all the angles of each is baloney. It's akin to saying I'll fight you with one hand behind my back. Be serious. Like I said at the beginning, I'll take my little Iranian shotokan brown belt in a life or death street fight over 99% of the morons claiming supremacy of style on this site, any day - and I'll give you odds.

Put up or shutup bitch. Dont make a challenge for him....YOU back up what you say.


I have to go to work now or I would have done a better job of pointing out your many newbie mistakes. See you later idiot.

[Virus]

Don't listen to the OP's heretical doctrines of martial arts relativism.

DO trash styles.

[fanatical]

tl;dr

[hvyhands81]

a little late to the party I guess

This thread makes my left nut hurt.

If your going to try and represent isshinryu, you can atleast spell it right. god dam, this shit pisses me off. Next time before you go running your mouth about "dont trash styles, its the individual" you need to understand its a process, garbage in equals garbage out. If you spend your time training in a shitty style, and become the best there ever was at said shitty style, guess what ... your a polished turd.


Oh man, now I know why you guys have blasted isshinryu in the past. If this is the kinda crap you see on average, i dont blame you.

[Virus]

Oh man, now I know why you guys have blasted isshinryu in the past. If this is the kinda crap you see on average, i dont blame you.

If you think you're doing t3h r34l isshin ryu, you're probably just doing kickboxing.

[gringokahn]

If you think you're doing t3h r34l isshin ryu, you're probably just doing kickboxing.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iKrfuVLWgW8


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PgarQouHOFQ


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bXj0F...elated&search=


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=M4Kx3...elated&search=

^^^ ...IsshinRyu point grappling?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1EOUl...elated&search=

^ good knockouts in this FC IsshinRyu vid...

...interesting...now they just need to do away with t3h useless and add some Judo and BJJ to round things out...

[Tonuzaba]

Shoalin (AGAIN!!!), Vale Tudor, O' Sensai, a 1000 kicks taking several hours... What the hell is this? Good all times when there were hordes of chunners joining... ;-)
Tonuzaba

[zendeath2000]

My $.02 on the subject is only this... some styles were created just to be used for body conditioning exercising/boredom busters, but mainly all styles were taught so the school can make a profit. Can't fault man for succuming to trying to make money out of something that any fool can be taught to do. Any creature can be taught to beat on something else might as well make some money while teaching them to do it. It's all about the Benamins baby!
Its evolution of all fighting styles to streamline the crap from a particular style and incorporate things from watching others that has beat thier system to fill the gaps so it can become an even more effective fighting system. Yeah its the individual that makes the fighter, but its the technique that teaches the individual how to fight. Just as referenced earlier, if its crap in-its crap out.

well it was proven that he is wrong so lets quit kicking the corpse into a sticky mess.

[zendeath2000]

i ment to write benjamins but im an idiot and cant spell.

Aikido has its uses. Centering ones self, spacial awareness (not cosmic energy or chi like some will obviously joke about), some decent throws, wrist/hand/arm control, and circular moving while defending against an attack.... its not always about the "grab me" bullshit jokes that gets tied with it.

[hvyhands81]

are you a polished turd? Perhaps you can shed some light on the training practices etc. Thanks

yup thats me, crap so shinny you'd think its crome baby. :icon_comp

I know we have discussed our training previously, but I'll go into it again. I havent seriously trained in some time now (I recently relocated, and I'm kinda homeless). My original Isshinryu dojo is pretty progressive from what I've seen on this site. We do run drills, kata, and all the crap you guys hate. But the time spent on that is minimal in my eyes. thats the warm up stuff.

We freestyle spar, we roll, and many of our black belts have been cross training in yoshitsume at our Shihon's direction. I havent participated in the JJ side enough to really comment on it. I am a stragler of sorts right now, but I have studied ken-jujitsu in the past, and they seem similar to me.

AM I THE REAL ISSHINRYU? ummm not that I know of.

...interesting...now they just need to do away with t3h useless and add some Judo and BJJ to round things out...

see above, thats pretty much what our school has done. Yoshitsume incorperates a lot of judo throws, and such. Although I'll be the first to admit JJ its really not my thing, I do like to be well versed in it though. I'd much rather strike then try and subdue someone. I do like the throws though, that shit is fun.

[Gezere]

Invited to speak as a newbie, I'll speak. It's the person, not the style that wins. One of the toughest martial artists I ever met was a sub-5-0' Iranian who trained shotokan. He was a brown belt when I knew him, but I'd take him in a brawl anytime, anywhere. Heart of friggin' lion, with one shot power that was scary. He told me his instructor had them throw straight kicks for hours until they fell down - nearly a 1000 a day. Needless to say, his front kick would bury you and it came very quick. I also used to do three point blocking with him and my arms shivered - and I was recruited Div. 1 as a wrestler and outweighed the little beast by 30 pounds.

So you get your ass kicked by midgets regularly?

So, as my current instructor says, it's all kick, block, punch, and wrestle. Buddha developed kung fu, which spread disparately in different forms in South Asia, Korea, Okinawa, and Japan (and then to Brasil!). Samurai philosophy and sword technique joined along sometime afterward on parallel track, probably with some cross pollination. Early karate featured defeats of judokan and ju jitsu fighters.

This is so WRONG I don't know where to begin.

I'll take Mas Oyama in his prime against any Gracie or MMA fighter on the planet in a bare knuckle, no holds barred, fight.

This is what you get for not knowing what you are talking about. See I actually knew Oyama. I trained under one of his direct students. Oyama was a great karate man BUT he was mentored by Kimura because Judo still beat Karate pretty regularly. Oyama was also a professional wrestler at one point, under the name MR TOGO. In Karate he was God but not in grappling so he sought to study Judo and even wrestling.

There's probably a couple of monks from Shoalin in the past that would trash them all. Not to mention O Sensai or Yip Man.

You are full of shit and what you know about Shaolin wouldn't fit in a temble. Here is an FYI. The actual monks of Shaolin were PACIFIST the socalled "warrior" monks were actually soldiers seeking refuge and were the ones that really brought MA to the temple. This is even stated by the current abbot and the likes of Shi Yang Ming and Shi Heng Yi.

Anyway, you get my drift. Modern fighting rules favor styles.

BULLSHIT this is you talking out your ass. MMA began with NO RULES, thus doesn't favor any style. Current MMA has the least rules of any MA competiton out there, thus doesn't favor style.

Muay Thai rules put gloves on karate fighters and boxers, whose best techniques utilize their hands, so they are left at a disadvantage to get pounded by lower leg techniques and knees, which are the center of the Muay Thai disclipline. I've never seen a Muay Thai fighter that could stand up to a truly good boxer, so put the pads on the shins and let the boxers have at it with only hard taped knuckles. See who wins. Also, wrestling is prohibited, so you can't simply trap and drag a Muay Thai fighter to the ground. MMA fights favor wrestlers and BBJ folks because the room to move is limited, and you can't strike the eyes, knees, or throat- and you can't bite, which is a wrestler's worst nightmare. Kyokushin is limited to the body (except for kicks, which can't go to the knees or the face), and you can't trap or wrestle. Even the closest of full contact styles, Vale Tudor, is limited because you can only pound on an ankle or a wrist, you can't bite through a wrist or an Achilles or stick your finger in an eye.

Thank you for proving you're an idoit and very ignorant of which you write. You realize VALE TUDO had no rules for over 60yrs before it started being done world wide. And its impossible to bite through a human wrist by another human, we lack the the jaw strenght to do so.

In the end, folks, we're all limited in the styles we practice by the fact that you simply cannot practice true to the end game of hard combat without causing severe injury or death. All of us, from whatever the style are taught, have technigues in the arsenal which cannot be used in sport. Saying that one style is better than another, without the implementation of all the angles of each is baloney. It's akin to saying I'll fight you with one hand behind my back. Be serious. Like I said at the beginning, I'll take my little Iranian shotokan brown belt in a life or death street fight over 99% of the morons claiming supremacy of style on this site, any day - and I'll give you odds.

I would eat you little Iranian, and yes I have a nidan in Shotokan and a Sandan in Kyokushin, then I will actually tell you about REAL combat, which I am sure you know little of.

[Gezere]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iKrfuVLWgW8


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PgarQouHOFQ


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bXj0F...elated&search=


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=M4Kx3...elated&search=

^^^ ...IsshinRyu point grappling?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1EOUl...elated&search=

^ good knockouts in this FC IsshinRyu vid...

...interesting...now they just need to do away with t3h useless and add some Judo and BJJ to round things out...

Most of those sucked and they need to fire the camera man!

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Nine pages, huh...

[zendeath2000]

yeah the grab my ....(insert body part here)....jokes?