Does wrestling really OWN the traditional arts?

[LLL]

What I personally don't get is why people think that combining wrestling and other MA is a new thing.

Actually the reason why Karate & many other MAs don't concentrate on ground techniques is that those countries already had wrestling styles that are older than the punch/kick styles. Philippines has Dumog, at least, I don't remember the Okinawan style's name.

There is no reason to think that the old martial artists would not also have known how to wrestle; they just didn't need to add it into their style, because there already were styles for that.

MMA = old.

[Balloonknot]

Kunt, well said! You seem to be one of the very few here that has any real martial knowledge!

Kudos to you!


DIE THREAD DIE >........>

[PeedeeShaolin]

LLL you are truly deluded. Do you believe everything you see on TV too?

[LLL]

PeedeeShaolin: "LLL you are truly deluded. Do you believe everything you see on TV too?"

I don't believe everything you say, either, even if you are a moderator here, or at least some such retard who has a special text under his 'picture'.

Wrestling is the basis of fighting, but it has always been so. FOAD.

[blue-dragon]

To whoever thought my regards were ignorant I apologize for not knowing that this was a BJJ forum. I simply have used bodybuilding to sharpen my body and posture and I believe that a stronger version of Royce Gracie would beat a weaker version of him.
Yet I feel sorry for those who believe pressure points can't work. They don't work in UFC or Pride but they work against the average opponent who you may encounter anywhere else in the world.
I'm not interested in watching or engaging in dogfighting yet I do enjoy training to better my mind, body, and soul.

[blue-dragon]

Yes I was Osiris. Pressure points have helped my get out of a hold. Posting 5304 smart assed comments haven't though. Get off the net and get a life.

[blue-dragon]

And hitting a person trying to grab me has worked too. Saying nigga please all of the time hasn't proved me to be intelligent either.

[Tote]

as far as vale tudo fights having no rules. That doesnt really matter their not tring to kill each other their tring to choke some one, put a submission or try to knock some one out.

[PeedeeShaolin]

Go watch the download of the white high school kid getting FUBARed by the black kid and show me how a fucking palm heel strike is going to help the situation. Or a useless fukking pressure point.

This entire thread was started by a TROLL in order to get you lemmings to argue back and forth like Jewish women at a Sunday night Bingo hall and you just FALL INTO LINE dont you?

Has the guy who started this thread EVER posted again?

You people need me to school you on how to detect and avoid trolls because most of you will NEVER understand striking vs grappling.

What are you going to suggest next? Going into a deep horse stance and driving down your elbow while yelling kiai at the top of your lungs? Why dont you just throw some fukking smoke balls and dissapear?

This isnt Crouching Tiger Hidden Dragon son.

[Boyd]

"Saying nigga please all of the time hasn't proved me to be intelligent either."

Uhh, Blue Dragon, are you aware that Osiris is not, in fact, saying over and over again ""I'm all for open discussion, really, I am, but there comes a point where I must softly shake my head and utter a low but authoritative 'nigga, please'." --Boyd" in direct response to what you're saying?

Our horse is too dead, our jockey's too big, our trainer's too old, and I'm too dumb to know the difference!

[blue-dragon]

" they must have sucked "

Just an average attacker on the street.

" must've been shooting in slow motion. "

My fist are faster than your body and your tongue.

" not shit to do in the suburbs "

Thats a good one really it is. Would you really grapple or wrestle against three attackers. Tell me how you hold 3 people kicking the shit out of you. I'd would rather stay on my feet and fight and might even listen to the wise words of my sensei. " If the odds are unequal get an equalizer. An equalizer something you get your hands on, your personal weapon if you have it or something that might be laying around to make the fight even."

Your wrestling/ grappling is superior to most TMA practicers but their are some of us who train against people on the street who attack real life style not TMA style. Some of us also know how to wrestle.

And so what, not everbody is a wrestler so I think that all martial arts are benificial to self defence. Some are better than others that is proven but there is a circle in the way that fighting works.

Grappling is effective against a stand up fighter.
Grappling will get you killed against multiple attackers and if your way out-matched by size remember " not everyone can fight like the Gracies." They got something special as did Bruce Lee or Mas Oyama.
Stand up fighting is effective against multiple attackers and other stand up fighters.

[HAPKO3]

as far as vale tudo fights having no rules. That doesnt really matter their not tring to kill each other their tring to choke some one, put a submission or try to knock some one out.

You are an idiot.

Next time, before you talk about something you have no clue about, think twice.

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I remain, Hapko3

[HAPKO3]

Your wrestling/ grappling is superior to most TMA practicers but their are some of us who train against people on the street who attack real life style not TMA style. Some of us also know how to wrestle.

Yeah. But you, personally, don't know shit. You are an idiot, and you don't know anything about what fighting is like. In fact, you've never been in a real fight, beyong maybe a couple of schoolyeard scuffles.

How do I know this?

Simple. People who know what they are doing and have any sense in them don't call themselves "blue-dragon" and talk out of their ass about things they clearly don't understand.

Now shut the fuck up, and stop clogging up space on this forum.

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I remain, Hapko3

[Boyd]

You know, I'm actually enjoying this. It's not too often someone comes on here and says, without a trace of irony, "pressure points are an effective anti-grappling measure", THEN say "you can't use grappling on the street because in a multiple-opponent situation you're screwed" and not realize what a colossal ass they're making of themself.

Rock on, blue-dragon.

Our horse is too dead, our jockey's too big, our trainer's too old, and I'm too dumb to know the difference!

[Vapour]

Bullshit.

Why do people repeat the same old tired falacy over and over again?

THere's plenty of video taped evidence of Vale Tudo fights in Brazil, Russia, and a number of other countries. In these fights, THERE ARE NO RULES. No rules at all. And sure enough, they play out just the same way as Pride/UFC fights do.

I really have doubt on this "THERE ARE NO RULES". I really think that if you have real No-Rules-Fighting, perticipants would die regularly. Even REAL No-Hold-Barred would cause regular fatality.

What probably happening is that perticpants are fighting under pretence of No-Rules fight where there are if-you-don't-do-it-to-me-I-don't-do-it-to-you etiquete which, in my view is worse than the fights with official rules for safety.