Wing Chun’s linage – Greco Roman Wrestling.

[Tom Kagan]

The phrase, "Forcing the horse" has so many connotations...

LOL. Not to mention BiuKwan, TiuKwan, and DernKwan then ...


:smile:

[OnceLost]

The phrase, "Forcing the horse" has so many connotations...

[Blue Negation]

Greco does not allow foot/leg sweeps, pretty sure. That's why Tai Chi is so much better!

[Goju - Joe]

Does Greco include leg sweeps? Some of the more lame TCC push-hands tournements do not allow sweeps, but the stuff in the video has them.

I am by no means a wrestling expert and only have just started trainign in wrestling takedowns

Anyways here's a link to the rules of the different wreslting styles.

The stuf in the Vid is closer to Freestyle than greco I guess

http://blackmagic.com/wrest/reference/fsrulesnew.html

[meataxe]

Hey it was posted again. I am not Crazy!

http://video.google.co.uk/videoplay?...tai+chi+tricks

Watch the competition stuff at the very beginning, very Greco-ish

Does Greco include leg sweeps? Some of the more lame TCC push-hands tournements do not allow sweeps, but the stuff in the video has them.

[Goju - Joe]

Thanks for checking, I looked around but the stuff I found did not look anything like wrestling. Maybe someday one of us will find it.

Hey it was posted again. I am not Crazy!

http://video.google.co.uk/videoplay?...tai+chi+tricks

Watch the competition stuff at the very beginning, very Greco-ish

[ChynezFiredrill]

wing chun has striking integrated into standing wrestlings so how can it be wrestling gnoe bad.you just need to trsin the wrestlings more

[Goju - Joe]

I swear to God I saw it.

I also saw a full contact Wing Chun video.

I really really did

I am not crazy

Now where's my talking pink unicorn???

[M1K3]

there was a video posted in a thread a few months ago

A few minutes of half assed searching on here, youtube and google leads to nothing.

So maybe I imagined it

Thanks for checking, I looked around but the stuff I found did not look anything like wrestling. Maybe someday one of us will find it.

[Tonuzaba]

Greetings Tonuzaba, I was waiting for your reply to this. Wrestling gone bad is humor gone bad, ha ha.
Part of the point I was trying to make is that not all wrestling styles have the goal of getting to the ground, your opponent yes, yourself no. The pummelling skills were very similar to wing chun chi sao in some ways, so at one time in the past wing chuns predecessor may have included standing grappling and throwing skills which are no longer used but have left their traces in the art.

Yep, traces clearly visible. If you take one of the first movements of the Muk Yan Chong set, the usage of the neck-pulling hand, that is an example of a WT technique, that if executed properly can under given circumstances get the other person to the ground. It's application can be for example against a haymaker/wide hook/stick attack, combined with stepping in/turning and of course defense against the attacking arm (fak sau...).
There are knee techniques designed to force the opponent to fall, etc...
So yes, in a way you're right, although the main focus is always on attacking the head as soon as the limbs were taken care of/avoided to the extent that they don't pose a serious threat.
Tonuzaba

[M1K3]

BTW, I prefer striking or kicking when my opponent is on the ground and I am not. In a real fight when the opponent is down, I prefer running.

[Goju - Joe]

GoJu, do you have any vids or references to this? I am very interested and would like to see what it looks like.

Tanks.

there was a video posted in a thread a few months ago

A few minutes of half assed searching on here, youtube and google leads to nothing.

So maybe I imagined it

[M1K3]

M1K3, while your idea (comparison with wrestling) is interesting, you and the other posters here somehow evade the fact that wing chun was developed as a striking system. As such, it uses extremely close range compared to most other striking arts.
So I think "wrestling gone bad" as you put it is a mistaken view. Though wing chun people are trying to unbalance the opponent, the try to do so first and foremost with punches and kicks while staying standing. The goal being not to bring somebody to the ground but to get him there so that he stays there (KO is the right word, I think).
Tonuzaba

Greetings Tonuzaba, I was waiting for your reply to this. Wrestling gone bad is humor gone bad, ha ha.

Part of the point I was trying to make is that not all wrestling styles have the goal of getting to the ground, your opponent yes, yourself no. The pummelling skills were very similar to wing chun chi sao in some ways, so at one time in the past wing chuns predecessor may have included standing grappling and throwing skills which are no longer used but have left their traces in the art.

[Tonuzaba]

M1K3, while your idea (comparison with wrestling) is interesting, you and the other posters here somehow evade the fact that wing chun was developed as a striking system. As such, it uses extremely close range compared to most other striking arts.
So I think "wrestling gone bad" as you put it is a mistaken view. Though wing chun people are trying to unbalance the opponent, the try to do so first and foremost with punches and kicks while staying standing. The goal being not to bring somebody to the ground but to get him there so that he stays there (KO is the right word, I think).
Tonuzaba

[Bluto Blutarsky]

I am pretty sure that George Silver created wing chun it is clearly listed in his manuscript on fighting "Paradoxes of Defence".

It is right after the section on Gun-Kata.