BJJ Newbie, Guard question.

[mya]

All right, i been taking BJJ classes, for 1 month and i still dont get the advantage of the guard.

I have a background in striking, and perhaps this is why its hard to make sense for me.


When someone puts me in his guard, isnt it more dangerouse for him than for me?


I mean i can stand up with his weight and drop him on the ground.
I can knee him in the genitalia.
And i can strike him a lot better than he can.

Of corse that if the manages to pull me down onto him, things get a bit worse.

What is so special about the guard ?

Also what is the translation you use for "meia lua" (half moon), is it the North South ?

Anyone knows where i can find the translation of the the Portuguese terms to the common English style you use at Bullshido.

Thank you.

Mya

[Shuma-Gorath]

Moving this to Newbietown since I lack the energy to be mean.

I mean i can stand up with his weight and drop him on the ground.

There are a lot of easy counters to slams, but yes, this is a danger like any other thing you let happen.

I can knee him in the genitalia.

Not without being swept almost immediately by anyone aware of your balance.

And i can strike him a lot better than he can.

There are things that can be done to offset this, but you are correct; the guard is neutral in grappling and not so neutral in MMA.

What is so special about the guard ?

It grants someone in the bottom position control over another person's weight and balance.

Also what is the translation you use for "meia lua" (half moon), is it the North South ?

Never heard this before. Ask your instructor.

Thank you.

Mya

One last thing; please don't sign your posts. We know who wrote them.

[RunningDog]

Dumb newbie crappling questions like this go in the Guantanamo Bay forum, to where your thread will hopfully be moved. I'm pretty new to BJJ and I could answer that question after my first bloody lesson.
Dumbass.

[RunningDog]

Since this is now newbietown, let me rephrase:

Welcome to Bullshido

and

What Shuma Gorath said.

[G8]

advantage of the guard for what--BJJ or MMA? for pure BJJ, of course, the striking concerns are irrelevant. even in a context that allows strikes, it's still vital. to begin with, you may not have a choice about being on your back, and if you have to go there, having your legs & hips in position to defend against & exert control over your opponent (the definition of "guard") is infinitely preferable to the alternatives. beyond that, you're selling the guard way short as both an offensive & defensive tool. it's not particularly easy to strike effectively inside a good guard, and if you try, you have to be continually wary of sweeps and submissions. ditto the standing up & slamming--unless you're supernaturally strong, it's much easier said than done. most of the time, anyone unfamiliar with guard work is in a very bad spot inside a good guard.

[TehDeadlyDimMak]

All right, i been taking BJJ classes, for 1 month and i still dont get the advantage of the guard.

I have a background in striking, and perhaps this is why its hard to make sense for me.


When someone puts me in his guard, isnt it more dangerouse for him than for me?


I mean i can stand up with his weight and drop him on the ground.
I can knee him in the genitalia.
And i can strike him a lot better than he can.

Of corse that if the manages to pull me down onto him, things get a bit worse.

What is so special about the guard ?

Also what is the translation you use for "meia lua" (half moon), is it the North South ?

Anyone knows where i can find the translation of the the Portuguese terms to the common English style you use at Bullshido.

Thank you.

Mya

To prevent a slam he can just open his feet.

If he's good and you try to position yourself to knee him in the genetalia you should get swept before being able to pull it off.

The strikes you throw open you up for submissions.

It's not the best place to be, but the point is if you find yourself underneath your opponent (takedown, fall, etc.) it's the best possible option.

[plasma]

Moving this to Newbietown since I lack the energy to be mean.


There are a lot of easy counters to slams, but yes, this is a danger like any other thing you let happen.


Not without being swept almost immediately by anyone aware of your balance.

There are things that can be done to offset this, but you are correct; the guard is neutral in grappling and not so neutral in MMA.


It grants someone in the bottom position control over another person's weight and balance.


Never heard this before. Ask your instructor.


One last thing; please don't sign your posts. We know who wrote them.

Who are you and did you do with Shuma?

[MacWombat]

Dumb newbie crappling questions like this go in the Guantanamo Bay forum, to where your thread will hopfully be moved. I'm pretty new to BJJ and I could answer that question after my first bloody lesson.
Dumbass.

I think RD and Shuma switched souls.

[plasma]

At least Shuma would finally get some muscle on himself then.

[MacWombat]

RD was a pure chunner up until recently. So I doubt it.

[plasma]

RD was a pure chunner up until recently. So I doubt it.

So are they both look like emo kids or you thinkg RD was the fat type of chunner :emo:

[ViciousFlamingo]

All right, i been taking BJJ classes, for 1 month and i still dont get the advantage of the guard.

I have a background in striking, and perhaps this is why its hard to make sense for me.


When someone puts me in his guard, isnt it more dangerouse for him than for me?


I mean i can stand up with his weight and drop him on the ground.
I can knee him in the genitalia.
And i can strike him a lot better than he can.

Of corse that if the manages to pull me down onto him, things get a bit worse.

What is so special about the guard ?

Also what is the translation you use for "meia lua" (half moon), is it the North South ?

Anyone knows where i can find the translation of the the Portuguese terms to the common English style you use at Bullshido.

Thank you.

Mya

Mya, the guard is obviously slightly disadvantageous in MMA, since you can be hit if you have your opponent in your guard. However, what else would you suggest aside from the guard if you get taken down? The other options are half-guard, which sucks more, or sidemount, which sucks even more, or mount, or....well, you get my drift. Yeah, it sucks if you get taken down and your opponent drops into your guard, but at least you can try to sweep him and break his posture so he can't strike well. All these things are not so true or as easy for the alternatives.

Oh, and you can't knee a decent grappler in the groin without getting your ass swept.

[MacWombat]

So are they both look like emo kids or you thinkg RD was the fat type of chunner :emo:

I'm gonna say emo but it's a pure guess. What I think happened here was Shuma finally got his internet potion to work and got to switch bodies thinking 'Yes I've finally done it.' And then found out 1. He was still in a skinny body 2. He was in England 3. Not only did he lose all his BJJ skills, it actually went into negatives for all the Chunning.

[pauli]

on the other hand, he actually posted something helpful for once.

[mya]

I see it now. Guard is for using when you taken down, and as somewhat defensive position on a unfavorable stituation.

When i mean Kneed in the genitalia, i was meaning when entering the guard.
Because most people i see pulling guard, do it at the start of the rolling (sparing).
Like we start rolling on a kneeing position and they pull me to their guard.
I never understanded this, and by your answers it does not look the correct thing to do.

By the way, anyone has a tip on what should be my first move when i start roling (sparinng) ?