Real Wing Chun, not modified bollox

[Winged Monkey]

Hey there everyone,

I came across this site and couldn't resist letting you all know that Wing Chun is better than most of you here are aware of. I have been at TRADITIONAL WING CHUN since 1993 and can easily say that I have never been beaten by a Karate, BJJ or TK fighter since, and I have tested my skills against these. I am not alone in this.

The problem lies with many people learning Modified WC and not getting the real system.
I myself have seen the huge gap between the effectiveness of Traditional vs Modified WC.

Having said this I think all martial arts have merit and often it comes down to the teacher and the student rather than the style.

I do think that many people here speak out of ignorance and fear rather than looking seriously at the pro's and con's of styles. IE: My style rocks and everyoner else sucks.
This is stupid and shows a huge lack of understanding and intelligence.

Yip Man in his later years taught Modified WC to many because he was an old opium addict and had cancer for some years before his death. A real shame. William Cheung has a complete WC system with the full range of techniques and footwork. Modified WC has half this.

Also the review and explanation of WC on this site is shallow, incomplete and obviously biased. Please update it with real facts. There is only a 'con's' list without the many many 'pro's' Traditional WC offers.

The 'episode' of Emin attacking William Cheung is not entirely correct. Yes he did take William down, but it was from behind, out of a crowd, by suprise. No man is superman. What you failed to mention was that William got up and then beat nine colours of crap out of Emin. Please tell the whole story.

It seems that this site is biased towards Karate, BJJ and other Japanese based styles. Please be a bit more even in your partiality.

If anyone wishes to discuss Traditional Wing Chun vs other styles with me, please do, if you want to rant about how WC sux and how your style kicks it's ass, the have a go, but you better comer with real backable facts, not 'frothing at the mouth' jingoism.

that is all, as you were,

WM

[CanucKyokushin]

We don't care!

[RunningDog]

I was wondering where the real Wing Chun was at, finally someone who has it... Is it William Cheung Wing Chun? I always wondered what happened when they edited that video... I don't think my Wing chun could have been the real wing chun, because when I started BJJ and Judo I got schooled, whereas if I had the real Wing Chun I would have been able to destroy those guys.

[Winged Monkey]

Says you who speak for everyone huh?

get your hand off it.

"The road?" you must be one of those Freestyle losers. Can't complete a real style so you say it's all freestyle, all about the streets, wanker.

"I've combined things from the frist levels of many style because I'm cheap sucker who can't stick at any one thing" sound familiar??? I can quote you without even knowing you, see!

[RunningDog]

"I've combined things from the frist levels of many style because I'm cheap sucker who can't stick at any one thing" sound familiar??? I can quote you without even knowing you, see!

Ha ha! seems like you do know him!
Are you high level, black sash, or a sifu??

[Winged Monkey]

Running Dog, yup I come from the William Cheung line. Melbourne Australia is the true home of the real WC. BJJ has some merit, all MA does, but the thing with WC is that it can cope with ground work, it has some in it. We do groundwork in the higher levels, but how many stick it out to see this? not many. Who taught you WC, who was the lineage from?

[Winged Monkey]

I'm not a sifu. I know a few though, I have had the luxury of training with world class Traditional WC sifu's in Melbourne without needing to grade, lazy I know, but i do know my stuff. William Cheung, David Cheung amongst others.

[MacWombat]

What belt levels did you beat in BJJ and Karate?
Do you have any proof?

Cuz I beat William Cheung in an NHB fight in the street. There was glass on the ground and I still won with my Gracie Jiu-jitsu techniques. I'm not alone. Everybody has to do it in my school to get their first white stripe.

[RunningDog]

My lineage was from Leung Ting, it must not be the real one if you have the secret groundwork. Is the groundwork hidden in the forms?
How do you train at your school? is it a lot of chi sao and forms, or do you spar? My instructors used to say that sparring was a lie, it's not like the streets - there you finish the fight in 3 seconds.

[RunningDog]

Oh I forgot... Welcome to Bullshido! We need more of the real wing chun guys here, there are too many of these steroid MMA guys lol!

[Winged Monkey]

Thanks Running Dog. The ground work is trained seperately, not in form work.
We spar, sparring is a good way of testing technique. Many modified WC teachers don't want to spar because they may get bested. silly really. Any man who walks into a fight thinking they won't get hit is an idiot. I guess it means they are not fully confident in their style somewhat. It is true that a fight with a real WC fighter can be very short, it';s wehat we train for. We don't want a slug fest, we want true effective self defence, to stop the attack or opponent post haste. Here's a question, do you know what a WC 'close change' is? a real one not a lean. how about an 'open change'???

Mac Wombat - I have sparred black belts in both styles, but unlike many of you here it seems I do so in good will and for fun. I don't film it for status and proof nor do I do what many do and go to the pub to get pissed and look for a fight. that crap is childish.
And beating William Cheung in the street is not likely, I think you just attacked a random asian guy on the street dude. Better get a lawyer son, a real good one! lol.
If that's an attempt at antagonism, try again, perhaps you can email his school directly, along with your name and address. As for me I'm not him.

[ViciousFlamingo]

Aw folks, you're gonna make Newbietown all messy.

Winged Monkey, where do you see the groundwork being taught in traditional Wing Chun? Any way to verify it was being taught way back when?

Secondly, since you say you have sparred black belts in all styles, I would be highly interested to know the name of at least one black belt in BJJ you have sparred and bested. I believe that many posters on this board would also be highly interested in knowing this.

And finally, please do take some time to read some more threads and figure out the general opinions of arts here. Just because we don't have high opinions of some arts doesn't mean we only think ours are good.

Oh, and welcome to Bullshido. Tonuzaba or DTT will be along to rub themselves on you shortly.

[RunningDog]

WOW I've only sparred one BJJ black belt, he's my instructor. There's no way I could beat him with my wing chun! The more I think about it, the more I think you have the real wing chun and not me.
How do you stop really fast and aggressive takedowns? And does your wing chun teach you the defences to things like triangles, armbars and omoplatas etc?
They never taught that at my school! They must have been holding it back! Bastards!

[triggrhaapi]

Says you who speak for everyone huh?

get your hand off it.

"The road?" you must be one of those Freestyle losers. Can't complete a real style so you say it's all freestyle, all about the streets, wanker.

"I've combined things from the frist levels of many style because I'm cheap sucker who can't stick at any one thing" sound familiar??? I can quote you without even knowing you, see!

As a new member who got off to a bad start, let me warn you that you're off to a far worse one.

Just be warned that Wing Chun is a dead horse and you're beating it.

[triggrhaapi]

WOW I've only sparred one BJJ black belt, he's my instructor. There's no way I could beat him with my wing chun! The more I think about it, the more I think you have the real wing chun and not me.
How do you stop really fast and aggressive takedowns? And does your wing chun teach you the defences to things like triangles, armbars and omoplatas etc?
They never taught that at my school! They must have been holding it back! Bastards!

You don't understand, he's just going to reply with the old apples and oranges response. You're going to need a hypnotist, a psychiatrist, alot of drugs and 6 months of therapy to de-program him.