Announcement

Collapse
No announcement yet.

MA's in Central Europe

Collapse
X
 
  • Filter
  • Time
  • Show
Clear All
new posts

    MA's in Central Europe

    Greetings,

    I hope to start a discussion on the development/evolution of martial arts in Central/Eastern Europe, because it shows a quite diferent pattern from the Western or Asian world.

    I also hope to catch the attention of Central/Eastern European members of Bullshido, with the prospect of organizing a local Throwdown at some not so distant point in future.

    After a while on Bullshido I realised, that some of the misunderstandings I had here while trying to communicate with people had a different origin than the simple aversion towards my style field... I think it is partly because of the way we view martial arts based on our local experiences.
    The communist regime was not really tolerant of martial arts, one of the reasons might be the fear of the official power that the spiritual aspect of these might interfere with the loyalty towards the regime. Around where I live only certain forms of karate, judo and jiu jitsu were present for a long-long time - mostly as part of the armed forces/police curriculum.
    Most styles well established/long booed out in the West came here long after the "kung fu boom". For example Bruce Lee's films were never - up to this day - shown in Slovak cinemas. Hip youngsters had to travel to more open-minded Hungary back then to come out of the cinema playing with home-made nunchakus.
    People had even less knowledge about what BS in MA's is, or that there could be such a thing. Up to this day, the average person couldn't probably name anything else than karate when asked about martial arts and couldn't tell if it's Japanese or Chinese and couldn't care less.
    I believe the boom came mixed together with the boom of natural healing masters after the fall of the official communist regime. From one day to the other the streets were filled with leaflets of masters being thaught secrets techniques by very old Chinese masters in the mystic hills and Ukrainian healers praising the benefits of urinotherapy.

    So cheers and let's get it on...

    Tonuzaba

    CLICK & WATCH
    :
    I got BULLSHIDO ON TV!!!

    "Bruce Lee sucks because I slammed my nuts with nunchucks trying to do that stupid shit back in the day. I still managed to have two kids. I forgive you Bruce.
    " - by Vorpal

    #2
    Originally posted by Tonuzaba
    Greetings,

    I hope to start a discussion on the development/evolution of martial arts in Central/Eastern Europe, because it shows a quite diferent pattern from the Western or Asian world.

    I also hope to catch the attention of Central/Eastern European members of Bullshido, with the prospect of organizing a local Throwdown at some not so distant point in future.

    After a while on Bullshido I realised, that some of the misunderstandings I had here while trying to communicate with people had a different origin than the simple aversion towards my style field... I think it is partly because of the way we view martial arts based on our local experiences.
    The communist regime was not really tolerant of martial arts, one of the reasons might be the fear of the official power that the spiritual aspect of these might interfere with the loyalty towards the regime. Around where I live only certain forms of karate, judo and jiu jitsu were present for a long-long time - mostly as part of the armed forces/police curriculum.
    Most styles well established/long booed out in the West came here long after the "kung fu boom". For example Bruce Lee's films were never - up to this day - shown in Slovak cinemas. Hip youngsters had to travel to more open-minded Hungary back then to come out of the cinema playing with home-made nunchakus.
    People had even less knowledge about what BS in MA's is, or that there could be such a thing. Up to this day, the average person couldn't probably name anything else than karate when asked about martial arts and couldn't tell if it's Japanese or Chinese and couldn't care less.
    I believe the boom came mixed together with the boom of natural healing masters after the fall of the official communist regime. From one day to the other the streets were filled with leaflets of masters being thaught secrets techniques by very old Chinese masters in the mystic hills and Ukrainian healers praising the benefits of urinotherapy.

    So cheers and let's get it on...

    Tonuzaba
    Done and done, some commercial organisation stemming from America has now opened a BJJ dojo in Slovakia, at the humble price of 250-300$ a month (depending on how long you form a contract)! This is an easy price to pay considering you're helping to rid the world of communism!

    Anti-cold war MAs!

    Comment


      #3
      Check out the list of successful kickboxers, sambo guys, boxers, judoka and MMA fighters coming out of Eastern Europe. Be happy in the knowledge that the Soviet Era and its focus on sports did a lot for combat sports in ex-USSR and that eastern Europeans are now among the best fighters on the planet.

      Unless of course you don't consider the above martial arts and want to talk about chunning and ninjariffic stuff, that's fairly new as far as Eastern Europe goes. I also think it's generally more hardcore than in Western Europe, based on seen WC footage from Belarus.

      Comment


        #4
        The most developed martial arts in Eastern Europe are those that enjoyed decades of government support, full time professional coaches, access to the latest training methods, medical support, etc. And those are Judo, Greco-Roman wrestling and to some extent sport Karate. Not so much martial arts, but related are biathlon (cross country skiing/shooting) and "modern pentathlon" (shooting, fencing, horseback riding, swimming, running).

        When you go further east to the European/Asian borders, there's a number of local wrestling styles that enjoyed similar privileges. Kurash, Sambo etc.

        Tonuzaba: Ja som z Bratislavy, ale zijem v Spojenych Statoch poslednych dvanast rokov. Myslim ze tu zatial nikto iny zo Slovenska nie je. Treba zahajit reklamnu kampan :)

        Maj sa

        Tomas
        http://baltimorejudo.mysite.com

        Comment


          #5
          Originally posted by Tomas Drgon
          Tonuzaba: Ja som z Bratislavy, ale zijem v Spojenych Statoch poslednych dvanast rokov. Myslim ze tu zatial nikto iny zo Slovenska nie je. Treba zahajit reklamnu kampan :) Maj sa Tomas http://baltimorejudo.mysite.com
          Nazdar, aj som Ta podozrieval, s takym menom... ;-)
          Tak to tu teda rozprudime...
          Tonuzaba

          CLICK & WATCH
          :
          I got BULLSHIDO ON TV!!!

          "Bruce Lee sucks because I slammed my nuts with nunchucks trying to do that stupid shit back in the day. I still managed to have two kids. I forgive you Bruce.
          " - by Vorpal

          Comment


            #6
            Originally posted by Shawarma
            Check out the list of successful kickboxers, sambo guys, boxers, judoka and MMA fighters coming out of Eastern Europe. Be happy in the knowledge that the Soviet Era and its focus on sports did a lot for combat sports in ex-USSR and that eastern Europeans are now among the best fighters on the planet.
            Unless of course you don't consider the above martial arts and want to talk about chunning and ninjariffic stuff, that's fairly new as far as Eastern Europe goes. I also think it's generally more hardcore than in Western Europe, based on seen WC footage from Belarus.
            I made it clear that I'd like to start off a discussion on MA's in CE, not wc in CE...
            Yes I know Eastern Europeans are tough fighters. And people around here generally tend to train much harder than in the West, regardless of style.
            I think we all might come to interesting conclusions when debating about the amount of time any given MA spends spreading in society...
            Tonuzaba

            CLICK & WATCH
            :
            I got BULLSHIDO ON TV!!!

            "Bruce Lee sucks because I slammed my nuts with nunchucks trying to do that stupid shit back in the day. I still managed to have two kids. I forgive you Bruce.
            " - by Vorpal

            Comment


              #7
              Well, two guys from Central Europe, of which one is living in the States for the past 12 years - not so bad. I am not alone. Cool.
              Tonuzaba

              CLICK & WATCH
              :
              I got BULLSHIDO ON TV!!!

              "Bruce Lee sucks because I slammed my nuts with nunchucks trying to do that stupid shit back in the day. I still managed to have two kids. I forgive you Bruce.
              " - by Vorpal

              Comment


                #8
                Doubledammit. It took me so long to find anybody from Central Europe here, and not only was he (Tomas Drgon) doing judo, he's already banned. Man... What a bad luck...
                Tonuzaba

                CLICK & WATCH
                :
                I got BULLSHIDO ON TV!!!

                "Bruce Lee sucks because I slammed my nuts with nunchucks trying to do that stupid shit back in the day. I still managed to have two kids. I forgive you Bruce.
                " - by Vorpal

                Comment


                  #9
                  OK, reviving this thread just to see if there are any new members from the region...
                  So, anybody from Central Europe?

                  CLICK & WATCH
                  :
                  I got BULLSHIDO ON TV!!!

                  "Bruce Lee sucks because I slammed my nuts with nunchucks trying to do that stupid shit back in the day. I still managed to have two kids. I forgive you Bruce.
                  " - by Vorpal

                  Comment


                    #10
                    Because England is in Europe, and because England is the centre of the universe, it stands to reason that I'm in central Europe...

                    Seriously... would you consider Greek/Macedonians as central Europeans? There were a few Greeks posting a while back.
                    Where there is only a choice between cowardice and violence, I would advise violence.

                    Gandhi

                    Comment


                      #11
                      Originally posted by sochin101
                      Because England is in Europe, and because England is the centre of the universe, it stands to reason that I'm in central Europe...

                      Seriously... would you consider Greek/Macedonians as central Europeans? There were a few Greeks posting a while back.
                      Hey, bro!
                      Actually I am looking for people in my vicinity, to have occassional mini-TD's with. Greece is a bit too far for that, unfortunately.
                      Though it would be a great place to take photographs posing with complicated stances at sunset, right?

                      CLICK & WATCH
                      :
                      I got BULLSHIDO ON TV!!!

                      "Bruce Lee sucks because I slammed my nuts with nunchucks trying to do that stupid shit back in the day. I still managed to have two kids. I forgive you Bruce.
                      " - by Vorpal

                      Comment


                        #12
                        Originally posted by Tonuzaba
                        Though it would be a great place to take photographs posing with complicated stances at sunset, right?
                        Oh, you old romantic, you.

                        You had me at "vaseline".
                        Where there is only a choice between cowardice and violence, I would advise violence.

                        Gandhi

                        Comment


                          #13
                          Originally posted by sochin101
                          Oh, you old romantic, you.

                          You had me at "vaseline".
                          I knew you and you alone would find the hidden techniques in my forms...

                          CLICK & WATCH
                          :
                          I got BULLSHIDO ON TV!!!

                          "Bruce Lee sucks because I slammed my nuts with nunchucks trying to do that stupid shit back in the day. I still managed to have two kids. I forgive you Bruce.
                          " - by Vorpal

                          Comment


                            #14
                            Yeah, my old man did boxing and (illegally) jujitsu.

                            Jujitsu was outlawed in Poland.

                            Only sport martial arts like wrestling, boxing, judo, sambo, TKD, etc. were open to be practiced.

                            A reason for all the great combat fighters that are coming out of post-commie countries is that in Eastern Europe, even if you took TKD, they actually taught you how to fight (for TKDers how to kickbox) and afterwards taught you the katas and all that other cute bullshit.

                            In Eastern Europe, or at least in Poland, I'd say that 95% train hardcore, even those martial arts that in the 'proper West' are considered bullshido. Aikidokas, karatekas, and TKDers all train hard, not like in America.

                            For example, the guy that brought BJJ to Poland used to practiced Aikido (4th Dan Aikikai) and boxing. Then he trained BJJ after he saw a tape of UFC 1, and opened up a BJJ school in Poland. My point is that even Polish Aikidokas know how to train hard, which deserves at least some respect, unlike Western ones.
                            GUIZ THIS IS LIEK MY SIGNACHOOR LOLOL

                            :icon_roll

                            Comment


                              #15
                              Originally posted by Tonuzaba
                              Hey, bro!
                              Actually I am looking for people in my vicinity, to have occassional mini-TD's with. Greece is a bit too far for that, unfortunately.
                              Though it would be a great place to take photographs posing with complicated stances at sunset, right?
                              Bro, too bad you don't live in Poznan, Poland.

                              We have Judo, BJJ, MT, Aikido, Krav Maga, boxing, submission wrestling, jujitsu, karate, TKD, and of course boxing and both styles of wrestling, pretty much nearly every style that's popular, just that here there's hardcore training for everything... If you lived here, we could have some pretty bitchin throwdowns.

                              Unfortunately I only live two months of the year in Poland, so I wouldn't be able to attend a TD with you... :cwm10:
                              GUIZ THIS IS LIEK MY SIGNACHOOR LOLOL

                              :icon_roll

                              Comment

                              Collapse

                              Edit this module to specify a template to display.

                              Working...
                              X