Advantages to under-leg guard pass?

[PPlate]

When passing the opponent's guard, is there any good reason to pass under the legs?

To my super highly limited knowledge of BJJ, when you pass over the guard, you:

1) Expend way way less energy, just put one knee over and you're done and in cross mount. You even get the chance to hurt his leg a little when you put your shinbone and your entire weight over his inner-thigh when you're passing.

2) Take far lesser risk of being triangled or have other nasties put on you if you're sloppy and make a mistake.

3) Have a far lesser chance of making a mistake that will cost you. When you pass under the legs, there are many things you need to think of, control the hips, head beside ankle not knee, put weight on opponenet's upper torso, etc.

4) Pass the guard in fewer steps.

So is there any reason to do an under-the-leg guard pass? Thanks!

[Bang!]

It's good to have options, innit?

[Ke?poFist]

Going over makes you fight from half guard. Posturing up and breaking usually puts you either on your feet, or across to side control. Depends your ability, and depends your opponent on which is more suitable. I've broken someones guard by going "under" with nearly no effort at all. With others, it's a battle.

on a side note sometimes I posture far back and break the guard while still on my knees, and then as they scramble to either submit me, or pull me back into guard, I escape out the back and move to side control.

[Ke?poFist]

Also if you pass over my knee, and don't actively defend me from getting underhooks, I can and will take your back and make you tap like a little bitch. You don't wanna be my bitch do you?

[pauli]

my prediction: phrost moves this to gitmo, shuma locks it once it arrives.

To my super highly limited knowledge of BJJ, when you pass over the guard, you:

1) Expend way way less energy, just put one knee over and you're done and in cross mount.

if by cross mount you mean a poor half guard...

[PPlate]

my prediction: phrost moves this to gitmo, shuma locks it once it arrives.

if by cross mount you mean a poor half guard...

Nope, I mean cross mount.

If you're moving to your right, you either

1) Put your left knee over his left thigh and bring right leg over, then you're in cross mount
2) Put right shin on his leg, bring left leg over so your lower torso if facing sideways because your legs are crossed, then flip back and tuck knees against opponent's side so you're in cross mount.

Why does this thread get sent to gitmo and locked? Is there some rules to posting technique quesitons here? When I asked in the grappling section I was told to post it here...

[Samfoo]

[QUOTE=PPlate]When passing the opponent's guard, is there any good reason to pass under the legs?[quote]

Yes.

To my super highly limited knowledge of BJJ, when you pass over the guard, you:

1) Expend way way less energy, just put one knee over and you're done and in cross mount. You even get the chance to hurt his leg a little when you put your shinbone and your entire weight over his inner-thigh when you're passing.

It depends on what you mean "pass over the guard". I'm assuming that you mean "standing guard pass" as opposed to "kneeling guard pass".

First of all "just put one knee over and you're done" is more difficult than you make it out. You have to control the legs and the hips and then transition to controlling the torso. GENERALLY speaking, for people who are lankier it's easier to pass standing, and for people who are squater, it's easier to pass kneeling.

2) Take far lesser risk of being triangled or have other nasties put on you if you're sloppy and make a mistake.

Not every kneeling pass puts you at risk for a triangle and other nasties.

3) Have a far lesser chance of making a mistake that will cost you. When you pass under the legs, there are many things you need to think of, control the hips, head beside ankle not knee, put weight on opponenet's upper torso, etc.

There are many things you need to think of when standing passing too, this is not unique to passing from the knees.

4) Pass the guard in fewer steps.

Not really, it depends on the person's discrete breakdown of "steps", and the particular pass that's being used.

[PPlate]

It depends on what you mean "pass over the guard". I'm assuming that you mean "standing guard pass" as opposed to "kneeling guard pass".

No, that's not what I meant.

There are only 2 ways to pass a person's guard right? His legs are wrapped around you in close guard, or his foot is on you in open guard, or some other variation of the higher level fancy guards like the rubber guard, guro guard, butterfly guard, etc.

However, to get past his legs, you need to either move yourself over his legs, or under his legs.

To move over his legs, you can step over, knee over, cartwheel over (LOL!) etc.

To move under, you take one of his legs on your inner elbow, move it to your shoulder, and you "smash" it towards his head, move to his side then pass under his leg into cross mount. This is all I know as I'm a white belt.

Standing or kneeling doesn't matter, you still need to either pass over or under his legs to get to cross mount or mount.

You either go "over" his legs, or you go "under" his legs.

So during sparring (with othe whites) I find it so much easier and less tiring to just go over their legs (I try to do both and alternate it so I don't have a set pattern), and when I got home I was thinking why should I bother trying to pass under their legs, its so tiring.

Especially when you're tired, and when you put him in cross mount and you screw up and he manages to shrimp and get you back into his guard, if I need to pass under his legs again it gets exhausting. But to pass over his legs requires much less energy.

I hope this explaination is clearer.

[Lu Tze]

To move under, you take one of his legs on your inner elbow, move it to your shoulder, and you "smash" it towards his head, move to his side then pass under his leg into cross mount. This is all I know as I'm a white belt.

You just described the Gracie gift.

[Sophist]

To move under, you take one of his legs on your inner elbow, move it to your shoulder, and you "smash" it towards his head, move to his side then pass under his leg into cross mount. This is all I know as I'm a white belt.

There are other ways to pass under. My personally preferred closed guard pass is to make a little space (my knee braced against the tailbone, other leg out for balance, postured up, hands on their pelvis and pushing back), then scoop my arms under both legs at once and stack my opponent, then come to side control. It works quite consistently for me.

The pass you described will quite probably get you triangled.

[pauli]

Nope, I mean cross mount.

just put one knee over and you're done and in cross mount.

again, no, that will put you in half guard (for the few seconds it takes for your opponent to either sweep you and get full mount, or just go straight to your back).

To move under, you take one of his legs on your inner elbow, move it to your shoulder, and you "smash" it towards his head, move to his side then pass under his leg into cross mount. This is all I know as I'm a white belt.

i hope to god you're keeping his other knee on the ground at all times.

[Das Moose]

Yeah, seriously... why the fuck do they teach that to people?

[PPlate]

There are other ways to pass under. My personally preferred closed guard pass is to make a little space (my knee braced against the tailbone, other leg out for balance, postured up, hands on their pelvis and pushing back), then scoop my arms under both legs at once and stack my opponent, then come to side control. It works quite consistently for me.

The pass you described will quite probably get you triangled.

Thanks, I was taught this too, but not the option to stack him, Rather it was to knee over one of his legs, or do the pass under thing. So is it a bad idea to pass under the legs?

[PPlate]

Pls enlighten me, is there a rule here against asking techniqe questions?

If so pls tell me and I'll take it elsewhere.

[Ming Loyalist]

no there is no rule against technique questions, however if the questions are basic in nature, you often get a "ask your instructor" response, becuase of the high number of people trying to learn grappling from asking questions on the forums and then trying techniques with their (equally unskilled) friends. there is a desire to tell new people that they really need to study under a competant grappling instructor (i know your profile says BJJ and i'm sure you're training at a good place... just trying to explain the general tone here.)

you might want to read some of the questions in DHS and you might see that they are mostly highly technical discussions of specific techniques. reading a lot on the forums first can give you a good idea of the types of questions that will be answered around here.